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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 01:51 PM

How to make trump supporters happy...Pay Freeze Stands for 2019

The pay freeze that the White House originally proposed earlier this year will stand for 2019, at least for now. President Trump issued an Executive Order to this effect late on Friday, December 28, 2018. While the Executive Order does not spell out the pay freeze, that is the result.

In the pay tables issued by OPM, the heading at the top reads: “RATES FROZEN AT 2018 LEVELS”.

Congress can override the president’s proposal for a pay adjustment for federal employees in any given year. Congress took some action to do that for 2019 with the Senate approving a 1.9% pay raise in a budget bill that it passed. The House never included the pay raise in a spending bill, however, there was reportedly an agreement at one time between the House and Senate on a pay raise in 2019.

The partial government shutdown that ensued just before Christmas took away the attention of Congress on any kind of pay raise. While there is no definitive answer, for now, the Congressional dispute may have reduced the chances of Congress adding one to a future spending bill. While it could happen in 2019, the pay freeze that was proposed early this year will apparently be in place heading into 2019.

https://www.fedsmith.com/2018/12/28/pay-freeze-stands-2019/

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 01:53 PM

1. Broad-bottomed desk-sitting bureaucrats don't need raises

for 2019 or 2020 or 2021 or for the next thirty years.

They're already overpaid and underworked.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 01:56 PM

2. Are you happy?

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Response to uncledad (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:12 PM

4. I am.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:51 PM

7. That was easy.....

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Response to uncledad (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 04:58 PM

13. we don't need overpaid workers surfing porn on company time.

we don't need near as many govt workers. We could lower the cost of govt by eliminating 50% of all non-military or defensive personnel. Time to bleed the bloated union that attached itself to the govt teat.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 06:57 PM

16. Veterans Administration Registered Nurse shortage

The typical US Department of Veterans Affairs Registered Nurse salary is $75,000. Registered Nurse salaries at US Department of Veterans Affairs can range from $48,768 - $126,666.

This estimate is based upon 103 US Department of Veterans Affairs Registered Nurse salary report(s) provided by employees or estimated based upon statistical methods.

When factoring in bonuses and additional compensation, a Registered Nurse at US Department of Veterans Affairs can expect to make an average total pay of $75,000 .

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/US-Department-of-Veterans-Affairs-Registered-Nurse-Salaries-E41429_D_KO34,50.htm

VA nursing shortage

According to a study published in 2009, RN employment increased by 18 percent between 2001 and 2008;
however, RNs older than 50 accounted for 77 percent of that increase, the age group that is
growing the fastest within professional nursing.
Because RNs older than 50 will soon be the largest age group in the nursing workforce, their retirements over the next decade will lead to a projected shortfall developing by 2018 and growing to approximately 260,000 RNs by 2025. The magnitude of the 2025 deficit would be more than twice as large as any nursing shortage
experienced since the mid-1960s. These projected shortages will fall upon a much older RN
workforce than previous shortages.

https://www.vanurse.org/documents/independentbudget.pdf

Not enough nurses to go around.

Or medical technicians.

Or social services staff.

Drug rehab clinicians.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:25 PM

5. Happy? No. The Feds employ over 2.7 MILLION people. Your own favorite news-holes call some of them

"non-essential" employees. The federal government should NOT be allowed to employ "non-essential" employees. NOT ONE. A "non-essential" federal employee has no real responsibility to the Citizens of the United States, just an entitlement to their hard earned tax dollars.

Happy? Fuck. No. Shed every single "non-essential" employee. THEN freeze the pay of the rest for a year. After that, I WILL BE HAPPY.

If you work, does the company you work for employ "non-essential" employees? If not, WHY NOT? Mine doesn't. Does yours? If you were a business owner, would YOU employ non-essential employees?

I'll be happy when "non-essentials" are no longer entitled to my tax dollars AND the remaining federal employees have their unions busted and their pay frozen, just like I'll be happy when ILLEGALS are barred from entering my country, with a plan to KEEP them from entering.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:11 PM

9. 2.7 million working taxpayers.

3. Who keeps working during a government shutdown?

Some agencies, and thus the employees working in them, are “exempt” from a shutdown because they do not get their funding through the congressional appropriations process. The largest of these is the U.S. Postal Service, which operates on income from postage and the items it sells. Other agencies, or parts of them, also have funding not subject to annual appropriations – for example, through fees they charge for their services, or from trust funds or multi-year budgets. Employees whose salaries are funded in that way would continue working, and getting paid, as normal.

For employees whose salaries are paid from appropriations, there is another distinction: “excepted” vs. “non-excepted” (not “essential” vs. “non-essential,” which are the more commonly used, but not official, terms).

Excepted employees are those whose jobs involve the safety of human life, the protection of property, or certain other types of work designated by their agencies as necessary to continue. These are not necessarily the same as “emergency” employees who are expected to continue coming to work when agencies close for other reasons, such as for severe weather.

When a shutdown starts, employees who are neither “exempt” nor “excepted” are put on unpaid furlough. They are to perform what guidance calls “minimal activities as necessary to execute an orderly suspension of agency operations related to non-excepted activities.” That typically is to last about a half-day on their first scheduled workday after a shutdown begins. They then are to leave the workplace and they are not to work while on furlough, even on a volunteer basis.

https://www.sunjournal.com/2018/12/22/government-shutdown-what-federal-employees-are-essential/

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Response to uncledad (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:49 PM

12. Fire non-essential employees and freeze the pay of the rest. Keep labor unions out of government...

It's not rocket science and no matter how many smart links or copy and pastes you do; you can't justify the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT hiring "non-essential" employees. It's not f'ing rocket science.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 05:57 PM

14. NASA

NASA updated its shutdown plan Dec. 18. That plan is similar to the one it followed in its January shutdown, where the agency continues critical activities related to International Space Station and other spacecraft operations, any critical spaceflight hardware processing and general protection of life and property. All other activities will be suspended for the duration of the shutdown.

According to the updated shutdown plan, NASA has identified 437 full-time staff who will be excepted from the shutdown as well as 664 employees excepted on a part-time basis, out of a total workforce of 17,586. An additional 2,189 employees will be “on call” for any emergency needs. The rest of the agency’s civil servant workforce will be furloughed for the duration of the shutdown.

Because who needs a space program?

It is rocket science.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:12 PM

3. Govt workers surfing porn don't need a pay raise

if they want higher wages than they can use their time off wisely by applying for jobs in the private sector.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 06:51 PM

15. ".....if they want higher wages than they can use their time off wisely by applying for jobs in the

private sector....."

You know, once upon a time, a very long time ago, governmental employees were notoriously underpaid.

The excuse was given, well, they may be underpaid, but unlike those working out in the real world, they didn't have to worry about job security; come whatever might, they'd have their job.

Over time though, they kept whining, this time pointing out that they didn't have good benefits, like those out in the real world.

So the taxpayers gave them benefits better than those working in the real world.

That didn't stop their complaining, though; despite the job security, despite their better benefits, they were still paid less than those out in the real world.

So.....and so now we have the situation where governmental employees have the best of all three worlds, and the segment of the population that pays taxes to pay them, has the short end of the stick; thus the Trump Revolution, the productive classes throwing out the unproductive classes, the working classes throwing out the nonworking classes, the taxpaying classes throwing out the freeloading classes, the impoverished throwing out the newly-enriched.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:44 PM

6. Good, it's about time GE's get to experience what the private sector experienced a decade ago...

''Pay Freeze Stands for 2019''

...because of federal govt incompetence.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:13 PM

10. Thanks for the response.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:00 PM

8. Not just Republicans but all TAXPAYERS should be happy about a pay freeze

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:14 PM

11. Including the federal employees who are taxpayers?

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