Healthecigarette

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:13 PM

Any other "vapers" hanging out here?

From my lurking on DU, it seemed that e-cigarette discussions got rather heated at times. I quit smoking over 3 years ago with the help of the e-cig and I really do see it as a great harm reduction strategy for smokers. I'm actually OK with some regulation however - I know that most of the juices that I use are probably whipped up in someones garage (but they are tasty!) - a little peace of mind would be a good thing!

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Reply Any other "vapers" hanging out here? (Original post)
stygmata May 2014 OP
Tin Ear May 2014 #1
stygmata May 2014 #2
KissKiss May 2014 #3
stygmata May 2014 #4
In The Mood May 2014 #15
just say yes May 2014 #22
nolens volens May 2014 #26
PParkRefuse May 2014 #5
femDem May 2014 #7
PParkRefuse May 2014 #8
femDem May 2014 #6
City Kitty May 2014 #9
Viewer_Discretion May 2014 #10
southernwriter May 2014 #11
Viewer_Discretion May 2014 #35
GardenGrubber May 2014 #18
Viewer_Discretion May 2014 #34
ScreennameStolen May 2014 #36
YouKnowItsTrue May 2014 #12
just say yes May 2014 #21
jayfish May 2014 #23
just say yes May 2014 #24
jayfish May 2014 #25
just say yes May 2014 #27
ScreennameStolen May 2014 #37
just say yes May 2014 #40
ScreennameStolen May 2014 #41
just say yes May 2014 #42
Silent But Deadly May 2014 #13
Immacolata May 2014 #14
darkwolf May 2014 #16
GardenGrubber May 2014 #17
jayfish May 2014 #19
poes_raven May 2014 #20
LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #28
stygmata May 2014 #29
LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #31
stygmata May 2014 #32
stygmata May 2014 #43
LaughingGull May 2014 #45
stygmata May 2014 #46
LaughingGull May 2014 #47
JasonTaverner May 2014 #30
ScreennameStolen May 2014 #38
Crazy in SoFla May 2014 #33
ScreennameStolen May 2014 #39
Crazy in SoFla May 2014 #44
clem kadiddlehopper May 2014 #48

Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:14 PM

1. yes, and I just left my vaper at the gym today n/t

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Response to Tin Ear (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:15 PM

2. Oh no!

Always good to have a backup around! What are you using?

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:18 PM

3. I'm not, but I agree with you...

I sometimes counsel patients who "fail" smoking cessation and vapor or e-cigs have been the last resort, and best one. I had hoped they'd regulate it.

The only statistic I'm watching is the notion that kids think it's cool and that vapors can be an entry into real cigarette smoking.

I don't know if that's true, but I've seen at least one report about that one.

Do you wean nicotine with it? Is that the intent?

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Response to KissKiss (Reply #3)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:26 PM

4. Nicotine

Absolutely - I started out with this raucous 3.6% nicotine juice - I needed it to get me off of the Marlboros. Pretty quickly, I started to wean myself down - but there's the rub. I've been on the .6 strength for 2 years now. Considered trying to go zero nic but then I'm thinking, what's the point of vaping zero nic?

I had the flu earlier this year and couldn't vape - only then did I realize that I still had a pretty strong nicotine addiction - felt like hell and not just from the flu. Maybe one of these days I'll grab a bottle of 0.0 and see how I do.

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Response to stygmata (Reply #4)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:23 PM

15. That sort of reminds me of

caffeine-free Diet Coke. No sugar, no caffeine. Why not drink water? IOW, what's the point?

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #15)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:32 PM

22. People get addicted to aspartame.

 

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #15)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:34 PM

26. Bubbles

some folks like the carbonation...at least that's what they tell me.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:07 PM

5. I've pretty much quit vaping after 3 years

Smoked for about 35 years before that. I slowly stepped down from 24 mg juice to making my own 0 nic juices, and then got tired of remembering it when I'd go out, so I just stopped, I'll hit one every once in a while now, but the habit is completely gone, I never 'need' it.

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Response to PParkRefuse (Reply #5)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:53 PM

7. 24 sounds like a lot.

I just started with 18. Should I have started with more?

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Response to femDem (Reply #7)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:05 PM

8. It depends how much and what you smoked

I was a 1 1/2 pack a day newport 100 smoker, and someone recc'ed the 24 to start off with. I made the step down to 18 fairly quickly though, about 2 months iirc. If you're comfortable with the 18 stay with that, but if you find yourself still craving regular cigs you might want to try the 24.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:51 PM

6. I quit smoking for more than 10 years.

With Nicorette gum. I started up again a few years ago.

So now I've just started on e-cigs. I'm feeling good about it. Well, except when I misplace the damned thing. It's so easy to pick up a real one until I find it.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:16 PM

9. I've Been Vaping Since October

It gives me the nicotine I crave without the poisons in tobacco. I haven't had a regular cigarette since.

Peppermint tastes better, too.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:47 PM

10. I quit smoking 11 years ago

and i haven't vaped but I'm interested in it if my state legalizes weed and you can vape weed..

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Response to Viewer_Discretion (Reply #10)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:17 AM

11. Just wanted to say good for you....

for quitting.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #11)

Fri May 16, 2014, 05:00 PM

35. Thanks! It's hard

I was up to 3 packs a day at one time and I'm not completely over the damage I did to myself but I do very much like not being a slave to the nicotine any longer.

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Response to Viewer_Discretion (Reply #10)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:26 PM

18. yes

My friend smokes her's that way.

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Response to GardenGrubber (Reply #18)

Fri May 16, 2014, 04:58 PM

34. Good to know!

filing away in a dusty corner of my mind for future reference.

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Response to Viewer_Discretion (Reply #10)

Fri May 16, 2014, 11:14 PM

36. you can vape weed

you can buy a vape pen with the ceramic coil. They run about 90bucks. I found one here, but I imagine you can get them at a smoke shop too

http://www.vaportownusa.com/collections/vape-pens/products/pulsar-7-vaporizer

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:04 AM

12. I don't smoke but kuddos to you folks for trying to quit by what ever means. Good luck!

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Response to YouKnowItsTrue (Reply #12)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:30 PM

21. This person is not quitting but switching

 

the method of delivery. Why is this in Health?

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Response to just say yes (Reply #21)

Thu May 15, 2014, 08:27 AM

23. Are we inhaling smoke produced by combusted tobacco?

 

If someone told you that they stopped drinking coffee and drink tea instead; would you claim that they did not quit drinking coffee? It's in health because it's healthy not to smoke. ...for both the smoker and those around them.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #23)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:03 PM

24. That analogy doesn't work at all.

 

Caffeine is a drug present in coffee and tea. Tea also has theophylline, another stimulant. Yes, it's in lower quantities. I am planning to quit coffee and I am most certainly quitting chocolate (sigh) and caffeinated teas.

I am not suggesting that this is not an improvement. I just think it's odd to frame it as having quit something when you're still dependent on the drug within the thing you quit. It's like bragging about quitting heroin and you're on methadone. And I know of what I speak--I smoked a pack of cigs a day for five years. It was brutal.

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Response to just say yes (Reply #24)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:29 PM

25. It was a carefully selected analogy...

 

and works precisely because caffeine is in both.. Also, if you stop using heroin via methadone substitution then you have quit heroin. Though perhaps not permanently. Finally, the evidence that nicotine is harmful or even addictive, when not combusted with tobacco, is scant. ...at best. Before you jump on that observation; I invite you to find a single study that examines the effects of nicotine not derived from combusted tobacco. The results might surprise you. For me and many others, nicotine provides what is referred to as a "throat hit" that Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin don't provide on their own. This allows electronic cigarettes to have a more analogous feel to actual cigarettes.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #25)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:45 PM

27. If I quit coffee, I have not quit caffeine if I continue to drink tea.

 

So it's only technically correct for me to crow about quitting coffee when caffeine is what is implicated in the problems with coffee. I agree with you that perhaps nicotine is not harmful to the body (although it is incredibly poisonous and sprayed on plants as a potent insecticide so it's definitely a poison). However, do you want to have an addiction? Don't you want to be free of nicotine? After I quit cigs, I took it up again and was able to smoke occasionally. That was great because I didn't ever feel enslaved to a habit and didn't get all the bad side-effects from smoking. I haven't have a smoke in 15 years but I think any habit is a form of slavery, even Internet addiction!

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Response to just say yes (Reply #24)

Fri May 16, 2014, 11:18 PM

37. Would you tell a person who chews Nicorette gum that he hasn't quit smoking?

Or would you insist that they still do?

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Response to ScreennameStolen (Reply #37)

Sat May 17, 2014, 12:23 PM

40. I would congratulate him for kicking smoking

 

and ask him his plan of weaning off of nicotine.

I am responding to the notion that someone has quit his addiction by changing the delivery system. A person using the gum is fooling himself if he thinks his habit is gone. Unless being physically addicted to something is not troublesome to you. For me it was because I never want to NEED something to that extent. So I am quitting coffee pretty soon and will also have to give up chocolate and black/green teas. Right now I am going through my raw cacao so I can make the break easier...

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Response to just say yes (Reply #40)

Sat May 17, 2014, 03:42 PM

41. Not smoking equals not smoking

I thought that it was the act of smoking and the horrible horrible stench that sickened and offended anti smoking people?

Now that some of us aren't smoking any longer, you want to raise the bar and tell us that it is no longer good enough that we're not actualizing burning and smoking the tobacco so as to improve our health and not offend, but that you now want to tell us what method of nicotine use is acceptable?

Nicotine is legal so I don't see why, (other than a need to be controlling) someone would need to know if, when or how one determines if they use nicotine or when they intend to quit?

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Response to ScreennameStolen (Reply #41)

Sat May 17, 2014, 05:35 PM

42. I don't care either way. I was addicted to nicotine

 

and know how hard it is to quit. So to me, the real accomplishment is being actually able to quit nicotine, not find another way to get it into your system. After all, people are quitting the nicotine, not tar or smoke.

*Edit to say I realize that people may want to quit cigs due to the dangers of smoking. That has nothing to do with my remarks. I am just suggesting it is framed differently. In reading some of these comments, people mention using the gum and not being able to fully quit. So if that doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother me. I personally don't see it as quitting, however. That is my only quibble.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:52 AM

13. I smoke a cigarette once a year. Just one.

At a reunion. It's a ritual-ish thing.

It reminds me that I'm glad I don't smoke...

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:51 AM

14. Me!

I successfully quit smoking after 30 years of failed attempts, and now I can breathe.

There's a lot to be said for oxygen. I like it!

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:26 PM

16. I agree it's a great thing

I have been cigarette-free for over 2 years now and have worked myself down to the lowest nicotine I can get and still be non-zero. I am still worried about that last step to no nicotine. I noticed someone started a thread on DU about extending the FDA comment period about e-cigarette legislation. I may take a look at that link later.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:24 PM

17. just got a new t-ego

I've cut down on cigs already.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:20 PM

19. Here!

 

Been vaping for over three years after smoking for 27 and dipping for 25. I do not intend to quit anytime soon.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:33 PM

20. Got accute bronchitis (sic) (self diagnosed) and quit cold turkey

after one month of no smoking I picked up a cig..."just one" I thought...then began smoking more than ever, as if to either make up for the one's I missed when I quit or just to punish myself for quitting...

A couple of months latter...bronchitis AGAIN...I then discovered e-cigs and have not had a regular cig since, even though I had just ordered 10 cartons...and still have them...just don't want them...

I actually find vaping more satisfying than smoking, as I always hated it when I came to the end of my cig and had to put it out..used to say "wish my cig was as long as Pinocciho's nose after he told a whopper of a lie"...then wait a few seconds to light up the next.

Now I never have to put it down...and take a few puffs now and again...I recon it is like a safety blanket?

Have gone from 24 mg to 18 with no problem...next order is 12 mg

Edit to say: I have four batteries and a number of carts...and use the mentholated juice

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 02:00 PM

28. Yep

iTaste VV with the iClear30 tank, cinnamon red hots flavored liquid.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #28)

Thu May 15, 2014, 06:17 PM

29. Looking for a good cinnamon

Hi LadyHawkAZ, if I might ask, what cinnamon liquid are you using? Been craving some lately and looking for recommendations?

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Response to stygmata (Reply #29)

Thu May 15, 2014, 06:21 PM

31. Salt Lake Vapors Red Hots

http://saltlakevapors.com/

Cinnabun from Sweet Southern Vapes is pretty good too, although it has a lot of vanilla/buttercream notes and doesn't have the throat hit that the Red Hots does.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #31)

Thu May 15, 2014, 06:29 PM

32. Thank you

These vendors are new to me. I'm generally slow to try new vendors, but I'm at that weird "bored" point with my current stuff. Roar Vapor used to offer a very tasty cinnamon that also had a cream base - good stuff, but they discontinued it.

The Cinnabun you recommended sounds like just what the doctor ordered - will order a bottle this evening.

Thanks again

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #31)

Mon May 19, 2014, 02:59 PM

43. The Cinnabon is phenomenal!

Just came in the mail and enjoying my first tankful - excellent, smooth, very tasty! THANK YOU for the recommendation

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Response to stygmata (Reply #29)

Tue May 20, 2014, 10:39 AM

45. I love the cinnamon flavors...

...but I find that they are so hard on the tanks. It was explained to me that the cinnamon oil is tough on the plastic parts of the tank. In fact, the place that I buy actually has a warning on their cinnamon flavors that says that the cinnamon ingredient may cause tanks to malfunction.

I love cinnamon mixed with wine flavor, and the "cinnagum" flavors.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #45)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:07 AM

46. There's several flavors that are hard on plastic tanks

I know exactly what you mean and cinnamon can fog/cloud a plastic tank. I went pyrex a few years ago and it's a great option. The ones I use are from theecig.com and they last forever.

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Response to stygmata (Reply #46)

Tue May 20, 2014, 11:43 AM

47. Thanks for the referral to that site...

So these pyrex tanks can withstand the assault of the cinnamon flavors? Perfect! Is there a particular pyrex model that you would recommend? There seem to be several.

Also, do you know that "drip tank" means? I see it mentioned on several of the products on the site, and I'm not familiar with that term.

Thanks again for your assistance. I need to quit smoking in order to prepare for surgery (plus I just need to quit smoking period). My husband and I both do. But we've tried previously with our e-cigs and we get frustrated with the oily mess and inconvenience of the plastic tanks malfunctioning.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 06:20 PM

30. But of course.

I love my e-cigs

However, I do want to know the long term health effects of inhaling propolyne glycol

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Response to JasonTaverner (Reply #30)

Fri May 16, 2014, 11:21 PM

38. I understand it's used in asthma inhalers

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:08 PM

33. Count me in...

I love my new puffer. I don't care what the "yeah, but" people say about not really kicking nicotine. I like nicotine. And it pisses some people off that I can still get its effects without all the other shit it's mixed with in other delivery methods. I'm not hurting anybody else when I vape, and I don't stink up the place when I imbibe. Plus I can enjoy liquid THC in public with no smell and no hassles from The Man.
I enjoy tobacco flavored juices, but lately I've been on a coffee and chocolate binge. Good stuff.
I started with a 36mg dose but four or five puffs on that made my ears ring so I cut it to 18mg and I feel great. I may decrease the dose, or not.
And I prefer a 70/30 VG/PG ratio. I like the fog and prefer a smoother throat hit.

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Response to Crazy in SoFla (Reply #33)

Fri May 16, 2014, 11:26 PM

39. it's not the nicotine that is killing us. It is the actual smoking

The one thing I don't understand is that smokers asses are ridden by anti smokers, Drs, parents, children and on an on. Then after trying everything from cold turkey to nicotine patches with out success- we finally find something that keeps us from lighting up, they insist that we still haven't stopped lighting up.

I went to a new Dr the other day and she asked if I smoked, I said not in 3 weeks. She still put me down as a smoker. I asked her how long you had to not smoke before you were not a smoker anymore, but she didn't answer me.

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Response to ScreennameStolen (Reply #39)

Mon May 19, 2014, 04:51 PM

44. That's right!

In and of itself, nicotine is about as harmful and addictive as caffeine when used responsibly.

And I think for insurance purposes, you are a smoker until you are tobacco free for one year. That's what I saw on Healthcare .gov.

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Response to stygmata (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 09:21 PM

48. 6 months no cigarettes

After 37 years of smoking and too many quitting attempts to count I finally have been without a cigarette and have no desire to have one.

I tried every replacement therapy out there and every time I would smell a cigarette, I wanted one. I wanted more than just the nicotine, I wanted the sensation of smoking. Back when e-cigs were new my doctor suggested I give that a try and I did. They were new, they weren't that good, and in no time I was right back to smoking.

A little over 6 months ago I ran into an old friend who had one of the ego models and was raving about how she quit and let me try it. Tasted good, felt right so I did some research and ordered one.

On Friday Nov 15th I stopped at the store on my way home, bought 2 packs to get me through the weekend (maybe). Had one from the new pack one the way home and then one when I went to get the mail. The new e-cigarette was here and that one I had on the way to the mailbox was the last real cigarette I had or wanted.

I didn't intend to quit nicotine but I've been slowly cutting back on the levels in the juice and at some time I should be at zero. Best new thing out there and BTW try "The Vapor Chef".

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