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Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:08 AM

Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed

We, the undersigned mental health professionals (please state your degree), believe in our professional judgment that Donald Trump manifests a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States. And we respectfully request he be removed from office, according to article 3 of the 25th amendment to the Constitution, which states that the president will be replaced if he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”

https://www.change.org/p/trump-is-mentally-ill-and-must-be-removed?recruiter=21702147&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_term=des-xs-no_src-no_msg

So far, over 21,000 health care professionals have signed this petition.

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Reply Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed (Original post)
fishlore Feb 2017 OP
foia Feb 2017 #1
frankt8242 Feb 2017 #2
safestuffer Feb 2017 #6
frankt8242 Feb 2017 #9
safestuffer Feb 2017 #10
rahtruelies Feb 2017 #3
wisbadger Feb 2017 #4
safestuffer Feb 2017 #5
def_con5 Feb 2017 #13
Fiendish Thingy-BC Feb 2017 #19
safestuffer Feb 2017 #20
Fiendish Thingy-BC Feb 2017 #22
safestuffer Feb 2017 #23
Gunslinger201 Feb 2017 #7
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #8
scooter Feb 2017 #11
Sassyspop Feb 2017 #12
Sassyspop Feb 2017 #14
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Feb 2017 #15
Aldar Feb 2017 #16
Grumpy Pickle Feb 2017 #17
His Daughter Feb 2017 #18
Fiendish Thingy-BC Feb 2017 #21
safestuffer Feb 2017 #24
His Daughter Feb 2017 #29
fishlore Feb 2017 #25
Sassyspop Feb 2017 #27
fishlore Feb 2017 #28
Bubba Feb 2017 #30
Wyntir Feb 2017 #26
le pipi sauvages Feb 2017 #31

Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:10 AM

1. Sounds like they need some counseling

On how to deal with reality.

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Response to foia (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:15 AM

2. Got a mirror...??

 

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:18 AM

6. I know you are but what am I?

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:25 AM

9. How long before you resort to...

 

The typical "Yo Momma!!" replies that the RWNJ's rely upon when perplexed by the truth..??...You're getting really close..!!!

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:26 AM

10. Lol, WHOOSH!

I'll bet the irony of your post escapes you

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:15 AM

3. ************************ INCREASINGLY SICK & DESPERATE FAKE NEWS ALERT *********************

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:17 AM

4. The coyote still isn't going to get the road runner. The desperation of the left is most

humorous.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:18 AM

5. How many of them have interviewed him?

None?
Irrelevant and unprofessional opinions of biased individuals
Not a "diagnosis" by any means

Any professional purporting to have "diagnosed" something remotely from viewing a limited number of interactions during public appearances is not worthy of attention.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:31 AM

13. Completely unethical

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 01:56 PM

19. No interview needed

With 40+ years of very public, observable statements and behaviours that clearly, easily meet the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder, no formal clinical interview is necessary to state he is mentally ill.

I say this as a licensed mental health professional with 30+ years experience.

If we were talking about someone who had not lived in the public eye, or whose symptoms were not easily observable, then yes, and formal clinical assessment would be required.

Because personality disorders by their nature are about how a person moves through the world and patterns of behaviours and relationships, they can be easier to diagnose than depression or anxiety disorders for example. (Although it appears that Trump has a fear of descending stairs, based on the way he grabbed Merkel's hand recently)

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 02:04 PM

20. Are you in the habit of making a diagnosis on someone you've never interacted with personally?

Are you actually taking the few snippets of his public performances...(yes, performances...any qualified mental health professional knows that people appearing in highly publicized public appearances are not displaying their true personalities)...as a substitute for an examination and interview?

If so, I'll politely cough behind my hand at your "credentials".

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 02:14 PM

22. In my role as a professional, of course not

Although I currently work with intellectually disabled and autistic individuals, some of whom are non verbal and can only be diagnosed through observation and interviewing those who know the client's history.

In Trump's case, we have a very public figure with 40+ years of very public "snippets", only a portion of which could be categorized as "performances", and even then performances can be quite revealing as well.

As I said, Trumps public statements and actions lend themselves easily to a personality disorder diagnosis; he may have other mental health issues that would indeed require a formal interview to diagnose.

It's kind of funny, there were dozens of posts on DI claiming with certainty the terminal illnesses HRC was suffering, with less evidence than Trump's meeting diagnostic criteria for NPD.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 02:20 PM

23. Yes there were, and I don't think they have any more ability to diagnose remotely than you do.

I wasn't one of them.

I'll tell you what, once you or a colleague has a sit down interview or exam with Trump,
then I'll take your "diagnosis" as something more than biased musings based on your nonexistent access and extremely limited observations, none of which you can be sure are representative.

The member here, "His daughter", who I believe is in the health profession as well, outlined my skepticism of your claims very well in post #18

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:19 AM

7. Same bunch that said W. Bush was crazy?

Has every institution in this Country been infiltrated and Corrupted by Liberal Mind Rot?

'The Number One Issue in the Presidential Debates
Is George W. Bush's Mental Illness'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php

I'll tell you who has mental illness, anyone believing this crap

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:21 AM

8. Silly people wasting time and oxygen.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:30 AM

11. So which pantsuit is Mrs Bill Clinton

 

Going to wear to her swearing in

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:31 AM

12. Flat out lie......."So far, over 21,000 health care professionals have signed this petition. "....

 

.....when the petition clearly says...."We, the undersigned mental health professionals (please state your degree),...." Just a few on the 1st pg.....that aren't "health care professionals"
NO reputable clinician makes a diagnosis without a 1st examining, in person ....the subject.

Stuart Cohn
Brooklyn, NY
2 hours ago
I am not a mental health professional, but I believe it is abnormal and dangerous for the president to be behaving the way he does.

Chris Vaccaro
Milton, VT
3 hours ago
I'm signing because as a citizen of this country it is my civic duty to ensure this lunatic is removed from office!

anthony akselrad
brooklyn, NY
4 hours ago
im scared

Molly Fast
Santa Monica, CA
8 minutes ago
he's loco en la cabeza


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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:32 AM

14. Flat out lie......."So far, over 21,000 health care professionals have signed this petition. "....

 

.....when the petition clearly says...."We, the undersigned mental health professionals (please state your degree),...." Just a few on the 1st pg.....that aren't "health care professionals"
NO reputable clinician makes a diagnosis without 1st examining in person ....the subject.

Stuart Cohn
Brooklyn, NY
2 hours ago
I am not a mental health professional, but I believe it is abnormal and dangerous for the president to be behaving the way he does.

Chris Vaccaro
Milton, VT
3 hours ago
I'm signing because as a citizen of this country it is my civic duty to ensure this lunatic is removed from office!

anthony akselrad
brooklyn, NY
4 hours ago
im scared

Molly Fast
Santa Monica, CA
8 minutes ago
he's loco en la cabeza


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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:34 AM

15. If they were REALLY profesionals, they'd know you cannot diagnose without personal interview.

As such, any of them that ARE licensed, should have their license revoked.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 11:37 AM

16. Too funny....LOL....dream on lefty......

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 12:23 PM

17. Unprofessional.

You can not arbitrarily assign a diagnosis to someone over the internet.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 12:34 PM

18. Such conduct is considered unprofesional and is grounds for discipline

Mental health professionals cannot make such a call without some kind of patient contact. Those that do are considered frauds, charlatans, or at best unprofessional. They are subject to license action or censure. This is not a first amendment violation, since they are using their license as a basis for their conclusions.

The correct wording would be something along the lines of requesting he be examined with an eye towards relieving him should he prove to be mentally unfit.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 02:06 PM

21. You've overstated things a bit

Certainly a treating professional would insist on a face to face interview before recommending a course of treatment or prescribing medication, but to merely express an opinion on whether the very publicly observable behaviour of a very public person meets diagnostic criteria is not as egregious or unethical an act as you state

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 02:34 PM

24. No but using that OPINION

falsely as authoritative representative of the truth, in order to permit action taken against an individual as this petition is clearly doing,
without requesting an actual examination and evaluation
IS unprofessional and unethical.

They aren't just writing on a blog about their professional opinion based on their observations. They are trying to alter the course of politics drastically in this nation and usurp the elected candidate based on those OPINIONS.

It is every bit as egregious as suggested in post 18

So yea,
Whichever mental health "professionals" signed this petition in an attempt to force action on the basis of an unsubstantiated opinion
Just removed themselves from relevancy by signing.

They could have just as easily requested an examination, and by god I would have supported that based on his twitter account alone. But to just try and make an end run around due process like your feeeelings and a fucking rumor has merit?
Biased bullshit.
Pshaw. Should have taken at least one civics class with those psychology classes.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 06:49 PM

29. Not really. If someone were to be industries and capture the information they

could make a lot of people's lives miserable.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 04:05 PM

25. Diagnosis: SMD (Straw Man Disease)

No one is claiming that the allegation in the petition is a diagnosis. It's status is what the courts consider "an informed opinion." Informed opinion weighs more heavily that mere public opinion but does not have the evidentiary value of "expert opinion."

The point of restricting signatures on the petition to people with degrees held by mental health professionals is to exclude the uninformed bull crap which is the sum and substance of Trump's defense by his adoring mob of followers.

The petition is an opinion piece, that's all. But it is an opinion very widely shared, not just by Democrats but by prominent Republicans as well. Trump's behavior is so unusual among members of the political class that its pattern is easily detected. What to label that pattern is the question before the nation.

The consensus that there is something wrong with him grows by the day. He took office with a support rating of 44%, an historic low. A couple of weeks later, he is down to 40%. You don't need a Ph.D. in clinical psychology to understand that a large and growing number of Americans think that Donald J. Trump is nuts.

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Response to fishlore (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 05:07 PM

27. "No one is claiming that the allegation in the petition is a diagnosis."....Bullshit....

 

Your OP made JUST that claim..."Mental Health Professionals Declare Trump is Mentally Ill And Must Be Removed "........

"We, the undersigned mental health professionals (please state your degree), believe in our professional judgment that Donald Trump manifests a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States..."

I've seen some bait and switch in my life....fishy....you suck at it

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Response to Sassyspop (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 05:39 PM

28. Good point

I can see how you draw your conclusion. Petition is not a recognized form of diagnosis either within the medical profession or in legal proceedings. This is a subtlety which is well understood by any mental health professional with the legal authority to diagnose patients. Lawyers who have handled cases involving mental health issues or charges are also well versed in these terms of art. Legislators -- and this petition is addressed to the Senate Minority Leader -- are also well aware of the legal and medical status of a petition submitted by caregivers. The website on which the petition is posted does not provide the option for vulgar popular criticism of this petition -- they don't care what you think. The assumption is that you and I are invited to read the petition, not to evaluate it.

Your childish vulgarity "fishy....you suck at it" is characteristic of the mob pathology which bonds the unquestioning dupes of Trump. You surely are not qualified to sign the petition. I would suspect that, like most of Trump's adoring followers, you have limited education and more severely limited mental capacity. I didn't bait and switch; you didn't understand what you were reading. When it comes to psychology and government policy, you are the one who sucks -- and sucks hard. Silly boy

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Response to fishlore (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 11, 2017, 04:53 AM

30. I Have No Training Whatever

In medicine or psychology.

From my layman's perspective, however, this paragraph:
Your childish vulgarity "fishy....you suck at it" is characteristic of the mob pathology which bonds the unquestioning dupes of Trump. You surely are not qualified to sign the petition. I would suspect that, like most of Trump's adoring followers, you have limited education and more severely limited mental capacity. I didn't bait and switch; you didn't understand what you were reading. When it comes to psychology and government policy, you are the one who sucks -- and sucks hard. Silly boy
Is pretty convincing evidence that you, Fishlore, have no clue what you're talking about. You're insulting and lashing out at someone who disagrees with you. Like the "professionals" who signed the petition, I lack both the knowledge and the information necessary to diagnose a condition based on a few Internet sites.

And, like them, I am going to give it a stab: Fishlore, you have the maturity of a five-year old.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Fri Feb 10, 2017, 04:33 PM

26. Are we

not all doctors on the I internet?

My internet degree comes in all colors.
I take anything I read on the internet by a 'professional' with a Big grain of salt.

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Response to fishlore (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:23 AM

31. The righties are going apeshit.

Over 21,000 health care professionals have given their opinion without examining Trump first. Guess what folks? I bet if those 21,000 health care professionals examined him at length and found he was mentally ill the righties would still insist there's nothing wrong with him. Scary!!!

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