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Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:28 AM

can someone explain to me the difference between butter and whipped cream?

My current hospital diet has me up to white toast. Well yesterday they brought it to me with grape jelly, which I despise.I asked for butter which they denied, which they claim is due to fat. I'd buy that if they hadn't also brought me a bowl of jello smothered in whipped cream and a glass of whole milk. They almost implied that fat and oil are somehow added to butter in the manufacturing process. Does nobody know how foods are made today>

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Reply can someone explain to me the difference between butter and whipped cream? (Original post)
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 OP
Boadicea Jul 2018 #1
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #8
MumblyPeg Jul 2018 #2
rampartb Jul 2018 #3
Troll2 Jul 2018 #4
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #7
FreeWheelBurning Jul 2018 #5
Spitfire Jul 2018 #6
orson Jul 2018 #9
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #10
Meowmenow Jul 2018 #13
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #15
Meowmenow Jul 2018 #16
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #17
def_con5 Jul 2018 #18
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #19
Meowmenow Jul 2018 #11
Currentsitguy Jul 2018 #12
Meowmenow Jul 2018 #14

Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:39 AM

1. found this

In terms of butterfat content, cream also has a greater percentage of butterfat overall. But when talking about fat (milk fat), cream is undeniably lesser in fat than butter. Most kinds of butter have about 4/5 fat content (80 %) as opposed to the 30-35% fat content in cream (just barely half or 50% more or less).

Read more: Difference Between Cream and Butter | Difference Between http://www.differencebetween.net/object/comparisons-of-food-items/difference-between-cream-and-butter/#ixzz5LbqPaWer

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:48 AM

8. Yeah, it's the whole fat fear thing

I have been deeply suspicious of Ansel Keys' original study ever since I have read and listened to several very good critiques. I think we have suffered under almost a half century of very bad nutritional advice based on bad science and countless people have suffered and even died as a result.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:43 AM

2. good to hear you are at least partially functioning!

Ok so... you are partly correct. The whole milk and whipped cream do contain fat, but it's a very small amount in comparison to butter... which is basically highly concentrated (very highly) milk cream.
Yes, they gave you a little bit of fat, but probably in total less than would be in a single teaspoon of butter.
they are trying to keep it minimal, fat wouldn't get along well with your gastro "stuff" right now, if you ate it, youd probably be quite unhappy with the results.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:44 AM

3. can't answer that one!

i'm checking in to the hospital in a few hours myself. last time i was there i had some serious questions about what they were feeding me was doing to my blood sugar. toast, grits, milk orange juice adds up to a lot of carbs.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:47 AM

4. Butter is made from cream by coagulating and purifying the fat

Whipping cream is about 35% fat. The process of churning butter probably starts with a similar cream. However, the process results in butter and whey. Whey contains milk proteins and water.

The "whipped cream" may not be made from whipping cream. It might be a "desert topping", and possibly a floor wax.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:15 AM

7. Well it seems to me

The "Toppings" are primarily hydrogenated oil, and therefore even worse.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:53 AM

5. I used to make both as a cook

Basically you stir the shit out of cream and it turns to whipped cream. Then you just add a little sugar to sweeten it. If you want to make butter, you keep stirring the whipped cream (don't add the sugar) and it will turn to butter.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:59 AM

9. Maybe the "whipped cream"

was actually some synthetic industrial concoction masquerading as a dairy product.

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Response to orson (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

10. Perhaps

But if oil and fat are the concern those are actually far worse. Cool Whip is essentially nothing but hydrogenated oil.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:47 AM

13. Main ingredient is water.

 

Ingredients:
Water, Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil (Coconut and Palm Kernel Oils), Skim Milk, Contains Less than 2% of Light Cream, Sodium Caseinate, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Xanthan and Guar Gums, Modified Food Starch, Polysorbate 60, Sorbitan Monostearate, Sodium Polyphosphate, Beta Carotene (Color).

https://www.marianos.com/p/cool-whip-original-whipped-topping/0004300000960

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Response to Meowmenow (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:55 AM

15. Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup

Literal poison to a type1 diabetic like me.

It's like everything they are trying to cram down my throat is guaranteed to drive my numbers through the ceiling. It's NOT conducive to healing.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:02 PM

16. Are you allowed to make any menu choices?

 

Like everything in medicine you have to advocate or have someone else do it. Can your wife or other visitors/friends bring you some healthy proteins and such?

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Response to Meowmenow (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:52 PM

17. I am being rather aggressive as an advocate

This touches on a broader point about diabetes. Over 90% of all diabetics are Type2, and a very large portion of those are not well controlled. Us Type1's are pretty much the Red-Headded Stepchildren of the disease, and those of us who are controlled are the exception, not the rule.

Consequently you get very little buy-in even from medical professionals, for a healthy for diabetics diet. The fact that the ADA still pushes for a carb heavy diet does not help, and is hopelessly outdated to be useful with modern treatments and insulins.

I am being selective as to what I order and when they send up other things I did not order, unless there is a solid medical reason for me to eat them, I just send the extra back.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:19 PM

18. You're 100% correct

My wife is a type-1 over 65 with an A1C of 6.5. She's religious about testing and adjusting her meals and insulin.

She long ago gave up on the medical experts. They freak-out everytime she tells em she changes her own insulin doses with out a doctor's approval.

I think it's easier for a woman she just sits and looks pretty and doesn't argue with the, then comes home and tests and changes her insulin.

It's a control thing with them.

Good lucK, as old as you are you know what's best for your own body.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:05 PM

19. My last A1C was 5.3

So I must be doing something right.

Mainly when the nutritionists tell me I MUST eat carbs I tell them to go pound salt. No, I do not want or crave potatoes and pasta and I do not need your advice as to how I can still eat them. I didn't eat them before I came down with this horrible disease, and I don't plan to start now.

I know the term "Nazi" is thrown about on this site but I will proudly proclaim that I am a Carb Nazi. I like my toes, feet, and other more private parts of my body. I'd like them to stay attached to me and to keep working.

If that means I have to eat lots of steak, BBQ chicken, and (Gasp!) bacon to keep my numbers good, well I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and take my medicine .

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:39 AM

11. The other replies pretty much nailed my thoughts.

 

Butter is almost all fat, milk and cream are much lower. The whipped topping could be anything. Remember Dream Whip? Not much fat in that. You can actually whip canned evaporated milk.

Also hospital diets can be really weird anyway.

Complaining about hospital food is a positive sign. Good to see you.

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Response to Meowmenow (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:40 AM

12. no fat, but tons of oils

which they are also telling me is a no-no.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:50 AM

14. Whipped topping is mostly air and water, even if it was made from real cream.

 

I hear you on the grape jelly though - yuck!

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