Tue Jul 31, 2018, 04:25 PM

milk, the most nearly perfect food

Given the overwhelming influence and power of the anti-dairy lobby, I think it's high time for this; I could never figure out why, when the real thing's so readily available, people insist upon buying the inferior ersatz stuff.

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Got milk? Or is that nut juice you're drinking?

It depends on whom you ask. Dairy farmers say only milk from a cow can be labeled milk. Makers of nondairy beverages such as soy milk and almond milk say their labels make it clear what is in their product and they shouldn't have to remove the word milk.

The debate has been around for years but has heated up in recent months. On Thursday, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb announced the agency will focus on settling the question. It will look at how the current ''standard of identity" for milk is being interpreted. The FDA has hundreds of these standards, which define what a product must contain to carry a specific label, and it is now modernizing all the standards. The aim is to define how products have to be made. For instance: How many tomatoes do you need to call a product ketchup?

The Basics: Milk Alternatives

How do almond, coconut, and other nondairy choices stack up nutrition-wise to 1% cow's milk?

One of those standards defines what a product needs to be called milk. "There is a reference somewhere in the standard of identity to a lactating animal, and you know, an almond does not lactate," Gottlieb said last week at a Politico Pro Summit when he discussed the standard.

At that meeting, he said the agency has ''probably not'' been enforcing the standard of identity -- and as a result, this nonenforcement has become the standard. To clear up the confusion, the agency is seeking comment as it modernizes this standard.

In the statement, Gottlieb warned there could be health consequences if consumers are confused by labeling of nondairy milk. He cites a case report of a toddler who got rickets after being given soy milk, which does not contain bone-building vitamin D.

He expects to take comments for a year. "I do intend to enforce the standard of identity," he said.

Strong opinions come from both sides of the debate. While nondairy milk sales increased by 61% from 2012 to 2017, overall sales of dairy milk fell 15% in the same period, according to industry statistics.

Dairy Industry View

"Milk from farms has been around for much longer than soy or almond milk," says Brody Stapel, a dairy farmer who is president of the Edge Dairy Farmer Cooperative in Green Bay, WI. Soybean and almond milk products, he says, have ridden on the good reputation of milk.

Those beverages should be able to stand on their own and not piggyback on cow's milk for the sake of the name.

"Those beverages should be able to stand on their own and not piggyback on cow's milk for the sake of the name," he says.

The current standard should hold, he says. "There is already enough customer and consumer confusion out there" about food labels, he says.

"We're asking the FDA to enforce the laws on the books and call milk, milk," says Jamie Mara, a spokesman for the cooperative. Other products should not use the word milk on the label, he says. "If it comes from an almond, it should be called nut juice," he says.

Nondairy Industry View

Makers of nondairy beverages say there is no confusion. "When you are saying soy milk or almond milk, customers know what they are buying," says Jessica Almy, director of policy for the Good Food Institute, a nonprofit organization. It has asked the FDA to create a regulation for plant-based milk that would say compound names are acceptable as long as there is no consumer confusion.

It's not about consumers picking one product over the other, she says. "The vast majority of people who drink plant-based milk also eat regular dairy."

Nutritional Profiles: Dairy vs. Not

While consumers probably are not confused about soy milk being different from cow's milk, ''they are confused about the nutritional profile," says Erin Morse, chief clinical dietitian with UCLA Health in Los Angeles.

Many people think nondairy milks have as much protein as cow's milk, and that's not always true, she says. "Coconut, oat, rice, and almond milk typically have zero to 1 gram of protein per cup," she says. "Milk has 8 grams. Soy milk has 8 grams." And so does pea protein milk, she says.

Her other tips for those buying a plant-based milk: "Make sure it is fortified with calcium," providing about 30% of daily calcium needs. For vegans, it is important to look for B12 added to nondairy milks, she says.

And watch out for extra sugar added to nondairy beverages. Especially, avoid products that list sugar as one of the first three ingredients, Morse says.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 05:43 PM

1. Sometimes you just have to have milk.

IMO soy/almond milk tastes like caca.

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Response to imwithfred (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2018, 01:42 PM

2. Some people are allergic and these fake products give them alternatives.


Most are just following fads, but some people do like the flavors of some of these products. Can't blame the industry for not really wanting to use the term "nut juice"

Personally I would be happy if they just put them in a separate refrigerator case instead of right with the real stuff.

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Response to Meowmenow (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 1, 2018, 02:01 PM

3. ".....I would be happy if they just put them in a separate refrigerator case....."

What gets my goat is that grocery stores, especially the larger they are, tend to put the dairy-and-eggs section at a faraway corner of the store, so one almost has to don hiking boots to go and get a gallon of milk.

Of course, they do this because they want customers to walk through the entire store, making impulse purchases.

Even though I grew up in one of the top cattle-producing, pig-producing, poultry-producing states, I've never been enamoured of either beef or pork; one can have too much of a good thing, and I had my fill of those things years ago.

Essentially, I'm a dairy-and-eggs sort of person, and do nearly all of my shopping in the faraway corner.

And I "protest" by defiantly walking all the way through the store making no impulse purchases at all.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 2, 2018, 10:54 PM

4. "one can have too much of a good thing"

Well, "Died from a lifetime of an over abundance of 28 day aged Prime Beef" does not seem like a really bad way to go out.

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