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Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:39 AM

OMG man, CBD oil, it's the BEST!!

I was close to punching my neighbor in the face yesterday to make him shut up and I'm not being sarcastic.

This guy is SOLD on CBD oil, I mean he might as well go to work for them touting it's benefits, the one thing I know and that I'VE TOLD HIM, yesterday being the third time, is that I dont want to take another chemical.


"Oh but man, it's not a drug it's a natural remedy that helps with mood and other things etc in nature, blah blah blah".


Hmmmm, I think he's not hearing me.... I DONT WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER CHEMICAL TO TRY AND FEEL NORMAL!


He had the happy face, "it's so great, you just need to try it etc etc" so I said "you know who you remind me of? My crack dealer and my first hit of crack. There is a before and after perspective, the way things were, manageable even if I didn't like everything about it, and then after where I cant live without the stuff, AND I DONT WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER CHEMICAL THAT FORCES ME TO TAKE IT OR ELSE" (as he's standing there puffing away on his vape stick with the CBD oil in it).


Those vape sticks get me too, everytime I go to an AA meeting and there are people in there puffing away on them all I can think is "addict". There is a look to a person inhaling deeply on a vape stick and then filling the entire room with thier exhaled lung contents that screams "addict". YOU are an addict, son, and I'm not enthused about smelling your lung contents and whatever bacteria and virus is floating along with it.


People who are sold on CBD oil, and theres alot of them, they're addicts, they just dont know it yet. They most definitly exhibit all the signs.

"I will turn your face to alabaster, when you find your servant is your master"

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Reply OMG man, CBD oil, it's the BEST!! (Original post)
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 OP
Butchie_T Dec 2018 #1
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #2
Ruby Dec 2018 #3
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #4
Ruby Dec 2018 #6
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #8
Ruby Dec 2018 #34
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #39
Ruby Dec 2018 #40
specs Dec 2018 #5
His Daughter Dec 2018 #7
akaConcernedCanuk Dec 2018 #9
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #10
Nostrings Dec 2018 #16
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #19
Nostrings Dec 2018 #20
Ruby Dec 2018 #35
Nostrings Dec 2018 #36
Ruby Dec 2018 #41
Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #11
Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #12
Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #13
Nostrings Dec 2018 #22
Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #24
Nostrings Dec 2018 #25
Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #28
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Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #32
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Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #29
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Currentsitguy Dec 2018 #33
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Frankenvoter Dec 2018 #15
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Squeek Dec 2018 #37
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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:24 AM

1. CBD and THC are two different things

I’m not going to attempt to change your mind as you are concrete set regarding this. However, because our wonderful government went off the rails so many years a go and made it marajuana a schedule 1 drug, we as a nation were denied the research that could have discovered medicinal uses for years.

This snippet of a result of a young girl and what CBD did for her serves as a cood example of what could be for many Americans as a result of what certainly could be for CBD.

“Perhaps the most prolific case of CBD oil and its success is the 2013 story that achieved national press. Charlotte Figi is a 3-year-old Colorado girl who suffered 300 grand mal seizures every week. Like the Hyde family, her parents thought they had tried everything including a heavy regimen of pharmaceutical drugs and painful procedures that still did not ease her condition. Her parents had watched a documentary of one of the first medical marijuana dispensaries in California centered around testing their strains for CBD and other cannabinoid content. The California center testing was one of the first public assertions that cannabis was safe to ingest and use for a variety of medical purposes. CBD-rich oil was able to treat 99% of the young girl’s seizures, and CNN aired a 2013 special on marijuana and its medicinal effects. The California center testing was one of the first public assertions that cannabis was safe to ingest and use for a variety of medical purposes. CBD-rich oil was able to treat 99% of the young girl’s seizures, and CNN aired a 2013 special on marijuana and its medicinal effects.“

If I had a child that was experiencing these seizures, I would not stop until I could find something that would lessen or stop them.

You can find these results on your own. They are documented along with many more.

It’s not all about getting high verses actually helping people with problems. Just try and open your blinders just a bit. It won’t hurt.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:52 AM

2. I saw an ad with the girl having a seizure and a little bit of oil later she's OK

Fine, if people want to use it for things like that and it works for things like that, fine.

What I am talking about is someone who isn't gonna be happy until everyone else is using it too, and that getting harsh with people is sometimes the only thing they understand.

"You gotta try it, you gotta try it"

No I don't, and get the fuck out of my house while you're at it.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:24 AM

3. CBD has a vast amount of health benefits.

You don’t have to vape it, either. It’s powder in its purest form.

People might be addicted to the act of vaping but CBD isn’t addictive at all. You seem to have a serious misconception of what it is and does. If you take vitamins or Tylenol you take more “chemicals” than you’d get in a lifetime of CBD.

Your neighbor is trying to do you a favor. Unless you’re pain-free and in perfect health, you could probably benefit from it.

But hey if you’re not open to it... fine. More for the rest of us.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:39 AM

4. You must be a CBD addict yourself

Things mentioned go in one of the ears and out the other as they turn around to assure you:

(And I am copying and pasting your comment) Quote: "CBD isn’t addictive at all" (and variations on that theme), "the health benefits man, the mood stabilizing effects, the abillity to stop seizures, ITS A WONDER DRUG MAN WHATS YOUR PROBLEM WITH CBD??"

"I just dont want to take another Chemical to try and feel normal, and that's all I'm trying to say"

"Oh but man, it's CBD!!! It's NOT a drug, it's not addictive, it's got all kinds of health benefits YOU'VE GOT TO TRY IT!!

(There's no getting thru to people addicted to CBD, all they can do is tout it's benefits to everyone while never listening to their reasons for not wanting to use it).

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:45 AM

6. You dont get it.

That’s cool.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:28 AM

8. No, I don't think you get it

You're sold on CBD, that's cool if that's what you want to do but you wat everyone else to be sold on it too, and because I refuse to look at the health benefits of it and give it the "all hail CBD" all of it's addicts do, "I dont get it".

Whatever, I hope your happy place stays that way, what are you going to do if the government ever decides to regulate it and or classify it as a controlled substance? Will you be able to live without it? Will you go get it on the black market to continue your ability to use the only drug that looks, smells, acts, and has the effects of a drug, that it's users swear, isn't a drug, it's just a natural homeopathic blah blah blah blah blah.........."

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:22 PM

34. I would encourage you to do some research.

Industrial hemp a controlled substance? Doubt it.

What, exactly, do you think CBD does? You think “look, smells, acts, and has the effects of a drug,”. What drug is that? Hint: it’s not pot.

Everything you’ve posted makes it clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, I seriously encourage you to do some research.

Your body has an endocannabinoid system for a reason.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 4, 2018, 04:40 AM

39. And yet again, a CBD user who won't take "no" for an answer

It's not a drug, man, do some research first dude, it's not a controlled substance for a reason, blah blah blah.

It has effects on mood, it has effects on people having seizures, it has effects otherwise as yet undiscovered but the main thing is everyone MUST try it, to see what type of effect it has on them, which will only be positive, it can ONLY be positive, because it's CBD, the only drug it's users claim isnt a drug AND insist that everyone else like it as much as they do.

Round and round and round the argument goes "I just dont want to take another chemical"

Oh but its not a chemical man, do some research, it's CBD, the best thing since sliced bread, I'm in love with it, you must be in love with it too, just try it, you'll see....

IDK, from my perspective it sure looks like a drug, acts like a drug, has effects on people like a drug, but the one thing you'll be assured of from any CBD groupie, is that it is not, repeat NOT a "drug", not as we like to think of them, all it does is help your mood, and help with seizures, and lots of other items it helps us out with but please, please PLEASE, quit calling it a "drug", it's not a drug, it's CBD, the best thing since sliced bread, I'm in love with it, you must be in love with it too, just try it, you'll see....

I'm glad you love your CBD, but it's users exhibit symptoms of addiction, oh yes they do, they want everyone to be as sold on it as they are, and they don't like negative press about thier crutch either.

"Hey man, that guy's over there talking bad about CBD, make sure you go tell him it's not adrug, repeat that until they get the message, it's not adrug, it's not a drug, it's NOT a drug, it's CBD, the best thing since sliced bread, I'm in love with it, you must be in love with it too, just try it, you'll see....

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 4, 2018, 09:50 AM

40. IDGAF whether you try it or not.

I’m just trying to help you stop sounding so uninformed.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:44 AM

5. I get where you are coming from, I am of the same mindset. However, I am open to make money on it :)

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:58 AM

7. I am waiting for the double blind studies

What is the secret sauce with CBD. Lots of users say it helps with whatever ails them however others say it has not effect. Hard to empirically tell what is real and what is placebo.

It is also totally unregulated. What is really in it is not not always known, not unlike the vape mixes.

Not trying to be a buzzkill so much as wanting empirical data and an understanding of the mechanism.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:29 PM

9. hmmmm - " Not only is CBD not dangerous, it is also not addictive." - WHO


NEW WHO REPORT SHOWS CBD IS NOT ADDICTIVE NOR DANGEROUS
https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-new-who-report-shows-cbd-is-not-addictive-nor-dangerous-n771


While it may not seem like much, the World Health Organization (WHO) just released a 27-page report on CBD. Their conclusion? Not only is CBD not dangerous, it is also not addictive. While consumers may already know this to be true, such large-scale support is unprecedented.

/snip/

WHAT IT IS
CBD is the second most abundant cannabinoid in the cannabis plant, and it’s a non-psychoactive component. For this same reason, it presents more viable medical applications than THC, the main psychoactive component. Although CBD-rich cannabis strains are quickly gaining popularity, many varieties still have relatively high THC percentages. Even our CBD strains like Painkiller XL and Euphoria each contain 9% THC.

Industrial hemp, however, sustains much lower concentrations of THC, close to 0%. Usually, CBD is the dominant cannabinoid, which is why CBD oil is often sourced from organic hemp. In order to prepare the CBD for safe consumption, CO₂ extraction techniques are used to avoid toxic byproducts from solvents like butane. Extracted from organic hemp, Royal Queen Seeds CBD Oil has less than 0.2% THC. This brings the consumer all the advantages of CBD, without the psychoactive effects or “high” associated with THC-rich marijuana.

/snip/
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OH - from the actual WHO report referred to in the article . . .

/snip/

In experimental models of abuse liability, CBD appears to have little effect on conditioned
place preference or intracranial self-stimulation. In an animal drug discrimination model CBD
failed to substitute for THC. In humans, CBD exhibits no effects indicative of any abuse or
dependence potential.

CBD has been demonstrated as an effective treatment of epilepsy in several clinical trials, with
one pure CBD product (Epidiolex®) currently in Phase III trials. There is also preliminary
evidence that CBD may be a useful treatment for a number of other medical conditions.
There is unsanctioned medical use of CBD based products with oils, supplements, gums, and
high concentration extracts available online for the treatment of many ailments.

CBD is generally well tolerated with a good safety profile. Reported adverse effects may be as
a result of drug-drug interactions between CBD and patients’ existing medications.
Several countries have modified their national controls to accommodate CBD as a medicinal
product.

To date, there is no evidence of recreational use of CBD or any public health related problems
associated with the use of pure CBD

/snip/

More at link (27 pages) - http://www.who.int/medicines/access/controlled-substances/5.2_CBD.pdf
_________________________________________________________________________________

So - other than your imagined addiction scenario, what is your argument against CBD all about?





CC

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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 03:31 PM

10. So - other than your imagined addiction scenario, what is your argument against CBD all about?

People who are sold on CBD wont shut up about it, and they wont be happy until EVERYONE takes it too, theres just so many benefits it has, blah, it's all natural, etc, it's not addictive, and so forth, on and on and on, you people will not listen to someone who says in a very plain language

I DO NOT WANT TO PUT ANOTHER CHEMICAL IN MY BODY IN ORDER TO TRY AND FEEL NORMAL.

Now, was that so hard to comprehend?

I'm betting it was, because people addicted to CBD oil use that opportunity to turn right around and tell me "oh no, you got it all wrong, CBD is the bestest drug ever, because it's not a drug at all, its a homeoppathic natural herb the governments been trying to keep from us blah blah blah blah blah......

People addicted to CBD wont take "No" for an answer, thats my biggest problem with it right now.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:29 PM

16. I'm good with your body your choice, as long as it applies to everyone and not just you.

Also, your use of the word "addiction" , is very much like modern day leftists use of the term "weapons of war on our streets".

You may (or may not) wish to pause and give that some serious conscious consideration.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:47 PM

19. I'm using the addiction word to "tweak"

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:00 PM

20. Fair enough, but, the truth makes this example of tweaking appear to come from ignorance.

It would be wise keep that in mind when you read the responses of others to it.

In my opinion, the un-candy-coated truth is usually the best way to "tweak", and the thing which the most tweakable have the least tolerance for.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:47 PM

35. Its more than an appearance of ignorance on this topic in this case.

You phrased your post artfully though.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:12 PM

36. Hey! Happy holiday season to you and family, Ruby!

I hope you and yours are doing well. The wife and I are getting ready for the busy holiday travel season, this year we're going to be doing a 5 state family tour lol.

More presently, we're diving into the mystery that is the Aladdin blue flame heater:




Wife says I should have been a gnome because I like to tinker.




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Response to Nostrings (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 4, 2018, 10:05 AM

41. Back atcha, Nostrings!

Five states. Damn. I thought 3 houses in one state was a lot. lol. Sounds like you’ve got some serious Christmas cheer in your future.

I don’t know how you can pull yourself away from that blue flame though. I would seriously stare at that thing for hours. It’s mesmerizing. Wow. Bet it’s warm as hell too.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 03:58 PM

11. Yup, I admit it my wife and I are addicted to nicotine and we vape.

The vape got us to kick the cigarette habit; me in one day after a 28 year 4 pack a day habit. The way I see it I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the merely good. I figure eliminating the tar and all the thousands of other harmful chemicals from my system isn't a bad thing. I'll deal with the nicotine just like I deal with the copious amounts of coffee I drink every day.

BTW, anyone blowing huge clouds isn't an addict, they're an attention whore. All one needs is a glass of water to suppress that. I can discreetly use mine, take a small sip, and voila! no cloud.

As a matter of fact I have my vape and my 7th cup of coffee of the day in front of me at my desk right now.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:06 PM

12. I'm not ragging people who vape that much it was just a side note to the CBD comment

But it does annoy me the huge clouds of exhaled smoke I never thought of supressing it with water but I might suggest that one of these days because you're right, they are probably doing it in order to be the biggest baddest vaper in the room "Just look at this Vapomatic 12,000, it burns an entire liter of oil in one hit if I want, theres no way your puny vape stick comes close" (AKA 21st century dick waving contests).

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:15 PM

13. "21st century dick waving contests"

That's exactly what it is. If you every actually talk to them half the time you find out the amount of nicotine is minuscule, definitely not enough to be a cigarette replacement analogue, and in addition the amounts of Propaline Glycol (the portion of the liquid that makes the vapor) has been jacked up disproportionately purely to make larger and larger clouds. Vegetable Glycerine, the other ingredient that carries and flavor and nicotine, has been minimized. So basically they are inhaling and exhaling a basically flavorless, effectless liquid solely for the purpose of screaming "LOOK AT ME!!!!".

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:06 PM

22. I still vape the same 24mg strength I started out on, and I make almost no visible vapor.

But it is oh so satisfying as far as simulating a cig...And I tend to put it down for hours at a time, often forgetting about it lol.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:09 PM

24. Out of curiosity what device are you using?

I have found this Smok Alien 220w has enough battery life to last for days.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:15 PM

25. I'm still using first gen carto-tanks, on an Itaste SVD, at 10 watts lol





6 years smoke free now.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:28 PM

28. Hey don't feel bad

I'm still only running 11w on this monster with an Aspire Nautilus tank.



I just like it because I don't have to fill it as often.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:34 PM

30. I have an Aspire Atlantis similar to that in front of me right now.

I'm not sure about it yet.

It was on the SVD...got the pair for a fiver at a yard sale one time when we were out on the road lol.

I still have a new in the box Vamo as a backup lol.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:44 PM

32. Got mine at an Indian Casino near Santa Fe on my honeymoon

My old Joytech Delta II was leaking like a sieve and I need a quick replacement. I've been using it ever since.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:05 PM

21. The LegalVape 4000



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Response to Nostrings (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:26 PM

26. OMG that is f-ing hilarious!!

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:28 PM

27. Phil Busardo can be a pretty funny guy.

He has been around since vaping was in its infancy.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:28 PM

29. Yeah, I enjoy his reviews.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:36 PM

31. I think he has reviewed just about every device that has come to market lol.

His reviews... They're gold for someone who wants off cigs.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:47 PM

33. It's not that I wanted off

I NEEDED to be off. I knew they were killing me. Now I can't understand how I did it all those years.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:36 PM

17. Cloud chasers. They're vaping to vape, not to get off cigs.

To fill the void left by cigs, one needs no visible vapor at all, just the correct throat hit sensation and some nicotine, in a regulated electronic device with consistent power output and interchangeable batteries.

I was 26 years and two packs a day at the end of it, and the sound of my breathing at that time was loud enough to be worrisome.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:08 PM

23. Yup

Another benefit I have found is that as a Type1 Diabetic, sweet things are obviously off the menu. I can, however, satisfy a craving by loading up a bit of Apple Pie, or Cinnamon Roll and get a taste. It really does help.

The Kentucky Bourbon that is my go to helps me to not say what I'm really thinking to my clients.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:51 PM

14. It sounds like your neighbor has found a medical solution that he is happy with,

And that you might want to think about dealing with your anger issues before you earn an assault charge.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 05:29 PM

15. Oh, anger issues I have, no doubt

And the 3rd times a charm, I listened the first few times he told me about it, he DIDN'T listen the first few times I told him I didn't want to try it, I didn't care how many supposed health benefits it had, I was glad if it was helping him but that (and as I have told every other CBD addict, they just dont "hear" it) I DONT WANT TO START TAKING ANOTHER CHEMICAL I NEED TO BUY REGUARLY IN ORDER TO FEEL "NORMAL".

There is something about that statement that causes a CBD addict to immediatly revert to "oh no man, you got it all wrong, CBD is the best thing since sliced bread, it's NOT a "drug", it's a homeopathic remedy that calmes nerves, stops seizures, grows hair back if you want on and on and on and on and on, because they just LOVE it, and they want YOU to love it too, just like they do.

Addicts. They just dont know it yet.


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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:38 PM

18. Thank god nobody ever does what you describe with alcoholic beverages.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:54 PM

37. So true...

People self-medicate with all sorts of things.

Like alcohol....sex...food..gambling....etc.

And they sometimes get addicted to those methods of self-medication.


But I guess it's all good as long as it's not the Evil Pot

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Response to Squeek (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:12 AM

38. Adrenalin, violence, speed, danger, control, power...

I'd say just about anything that can be wielded possessed or consumed can be misused.

And then there seems, at times, also to be a general relativism to what constitutes 'addicted', at least in some contexts.

I was once a cigarette addict, in the real sense of the word ( but no longer). Back in those days, if you got between me and a cigarette you were risking death and/or great bodily injury.

The addiction was powerful and very real.







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Response to Nostrings (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 4, 2018, 12:11 PM

42. I totally get it

about the cigarettes.

I quit smoking in 1996, but before doing that, the mere thought of giving up my cigarettes seemed to me like losing my best friend. Depressing as hell, and what else would I have to live for...

Haven't had a cigarette since then, but I know for a fact that just one could start the addiction back up again.

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