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Fri Sep 30, 2016, 10:49 AM

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Sierra Club: No Gas, No Coal, No Nukes; Lansing Utility: No Lights then

General manager: 'I’ve given up trying to talk to them'


The Sierra Club has adopted a position that would effectively require all electricity in Michigan to come from renewable sources such as wind and solar. This appears to have caused a rift between the environmentalist organization and Lansing’s public utility over the replacement of a coal-fired power station set to close in 2020.

The Sierra Club opposes building a natural-gas powered plant to replace the coal-fired plant, the utility says.

“I’ve given up trying to talk to them,” said Dick Peffley, the general manager of Lansing’s Board of Water and Light.

The Sierra Club supported a natural-gas plant the utility built three years ago. But according to Peffley, it is now opposed to all nonrenewable forms of energy, including nuclear, coal and natural gas.

“They (Sierra Club) believe all energy that will be lost can be replaced by renewables or energy efficiency,” Peffley said. “You can’t supply energy that way. With only wind and sun, this country will be black.”

Sierra Club spokesman Brad Van Guilder didn’t respond to an email seeking comment.


Sydney Morning Herald:

South Australia pays the price for heavy reliance on renewable energy


Hard on the heels of a “near miss” in July when it narrowly averted widespread blackouts, South Australia was warned on Wednesday night to prepare for an extended loss of electricity in the wake of wild weather. . .

In an unprecedented development, the state was cut-off from the national electricity network, the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) said “resulting in a state-wide power outage in South Australia”. As a result, the entire electricity market in the state had been suspended as it sought to work with electricity transmission company ElectraNet “to identify and understand the severity of the fault, as well as determine a power restoration time”.

The extensive disruption follows the narrow avoidance of widespread blackouts in South Australia in July. At that time, the state government brought pressure to bear on a local power company for an idled power station to be restarted to avoid potential disruptions, following a lack of electricity generated from wind and solar sources at a time when it was unable to “import” sufficient supply from Victoria.

But Wednesday’s event will trigger renewed debate over the state’s heavy reliance on renewable energy which has forced the closure of uncompetitive power stations, putting the electricity network in South Australia under stress.

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Reply Can't run the Country on Unicorn Farts (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Sep 2016 OP
PrimeCustodian Sep 2016 #1
frankt8242 Sep 2016 #2
Gunslinger201 Sep 2016 #3
frankt8242 Sep 2016 #4
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2016 #5
id-entity Sep 2016 #8
Jack Burton Sep 2016 #7
id-entity Sep 2016 #10
frankt8242 Sep 2016 #11
Jack Burton Sep 2016 #12
frankt8242 Sep 2016 #13
Jack Burton Sep 2016 #14
oflguy Oct 2016 #15
Immacolata Sep 2016 #6
id-entity Sep 2016 #9

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 10:58 AM

2. Renewable energy IS the future...

 

Rationally determining WHEN is the problem..
The battle will be protracted, but the outcome is obvious..We'll run out of fossil fuels a long time before the sun stops shining..
Being a couple of decades "before ones time" is indeed frustrating...Ask me !!!

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:03 AM

3. When it can work without subsidies

Call me

Right now the technology ain't there

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:10 AM

4. Didn't say they were...

 

But resistance is indeed futile....The sooner they stop trying to prevent the inevitable, the easier it'll be on our economy..
If we took all the $$'s we are BLOWING on NASA's "sci fi" endeavors, and dedicated it to renewable energy utilization, we'd be a lot better off..!!!
And don't even get me started on "defense" spending...!!!!

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:18 AM

5. Maybe when people stop flying and driving ?

All that vehicle and air traffic puts combustibles byproducts directly into the air.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:51 PM

8. First get rid

of the huge tax-payer subsidies to fossile hydrocarbons. How about that?

And you not up to date of relative costs: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-06/wind-and-solar-are-crushing-fossil-fuels

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:27 PM

7. Why can't consumers decide?

Why does government have to force the issue when a majority don't want it?

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:57 PM

10. Which issue, exactly?

Do you believe majority wants tax-payer funded corporate socialism for fossile fuel industy? Big Oil using eminent domain to take over private property, only to pollute the land into infertile waste?

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 01:28 PM

11. All the "demand" on earth...

 

Will not matter when the "supply" disappears..!!
AFAIK, the planet is not producing any usable fossil fuels any longer...
Just because an uninformed "majority" wants something, doesn't automatically make it OK..!!
It is the purpose of government to serve the NEEDS, not necessarily the "desires" of the populace all of the time..!!
AFAIK, the "majority" of the 1930's German population REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, wanted a "National Socialists" government too..!!!

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 01:33 PM

12. How soon do you believe the supply will disappear?

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 01:41 PM

13. That's immaterial..

 

Simply KNOWING it'll happen should be sufficient impetus for us to create the solution in advance, and continue to perfect it, BEFORE it becomes suddenly imminent..
Planning ahead is almost never a bad idea...
Face it Jack, the principal resistance to this needed progress, is "fueled" by the "Big Energy" lobby, and PROFITS are their main concern, NOT the bet interests of the people..!!!

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 03:29 PM

14. wrongo

It makes a big difference if the supply will exhaust in 10 years or 1000 years. But then again the global warming religious zealots have little interest in facts.

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Response to frankt8242 (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 3, 2016, 08:40 AM

15. Ok Frank, fill us in

You said "Face it Jack, the principal resistance to this needed progress, is "fueled" by the "Big Energy" lobby."

Can you give us some examples?

What has ya boy Obama done other than funneling billions of taxpayer dollars to his buddies like Solyndra, who I'm sure gave Obama a nice kickback before going bankrupt?

If you are going to throw away money like that, why not give it to THE PEOPLE to install solar on their houses?

Oh, I know. They can't give kickbacks to Obie.

And how is your solar system doing?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 11:47 AM

6. What about Beagle farts? I've got some of those. nt

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:53 PM

9. Cow farts. Seriously.

They want to reduce cow fart emissions because of climate change. There's demand for renewable biofuels. Make it work, win-win.

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