Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:53 PM

Sirhan Sirhan and the mob

Carlos Marcello had remained good friends with L.A. mobster Mickey Cohen since they both had appeared before the McClellan hearings. By 1968, Cohen was in prison, having waged a full-scale war with the Dragna family for control of the rackets in Los Angeles, including the major racetracks that were all hooked into the Marcello' s wire service and bookie network.

Sirhan Sirhan, the alleged killer of Robert Kennedy, worked as a groom at the Santa Anita race track controlled by Cohen, who had also been a close friend of Jack Ruby, the gangster who shot Oswald dead. Ruby was part of the Civello set-up in Dallas that was controlled by Marcello. That Robert Kennedy's brother was himself shot dead in a city that was controlled by a close friend of Carlos Marcello, who was more than likely the immediate boss of the man who shot the man who shot the president, has to be surely more than just a coincidence.

Robert Kennedy was shot and fatally wounded as he was walking through the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel, in Los Angeles. His alleged killer fired all eight rounds from his .22 calibre revolver, wounding at least five other people. The fatal wound to Kennedy occurred behind his right ear from a bullet that was fired from a gun less than one inch from the victim's head. Sirhan Sirhan was at least three feet in front of Kennedy when he began to shoot. In all, at least ten, possibly fourteen shots were fired that night; the alleged killer's gun contained only eight bullets and he never got the chance to reload the weapon.

Added to all of this mystification there were the dubious records of Sirhan's defence counsel, the deliberate obfuscation of the Los Angles police department who destroyed key evidence taken from the Ambassador Hotel pantry where Kennedy was shot, as well as misplacing over 2000 key documents relating to the shooting, and the predictable response of J. Edgar Hoover. Days after the shooting, Hoover confirmed that the FBI's investigation indicated that Sirhan Sirhan was the only person involved.

The elimination of Robert Kennedy from the 1968 presidential race paved the way for victory for Richard Nixon, the man Marcello had always supported. In fact in the 1960 race between Kennedy and Nixon, Carlos had donated $500,000 towards Nixon's campaign. With Robert Kennedy dead and Nixon's accession to the presidency on Jan 20, 1969, Carlos Marcello had now a thread even to the White House.

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:36 PM

1. If you can find a

Mafia Kingfish by John H. Davis.

Led me to believe to this day that Carlos Marcello was behind the assassination of JFK.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:46 PM

2. There was a thing going on between the Kennedys and the mob

My guess is it went back to Daddy Joe and his bootlegging days. Bobby Kennedy had Marcello and his lawyer abducted and flown to a central American jungle to die. Somehow, Marcello managed to survive it and make his way back to Louisiana where he vowed to kill the Kennedys. Marcello even responded to the question "Did you kill Kennedy," by saying "Yeah, I killed the sonofabitch. My only regret is that I didn't do it with my own hands."

Jack Ruby and Carlos Marcello shared strippers in their night clubs in New Orleans and Dallas. Judyth Vary Baker relates a story of when Jack Ruby came to dinner with David Ferrie, Oswald, Baker, and Dr. Mary Sherman at Ferrie's apartment in Uptown New Orleans, which means Oswald and Jack Ruby were friends.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:51 PM

3. The book ties a good deal of that together

Oswald was certainly in Dallas that day, but he had ‘help’. He may have shot Kennedy but I believe the fatal shot came from behind Kennedy.

Everyone else is entitled to their own opinions.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:14 PM

5. According to a confession of a mafia hit man behind the picket fence

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He took the shot that exploded Kennedy's head because the shooters in the Dal Tex Building behind Kennedy had not succeeded in a fatal head shot.

If an assassin was going to kill Kennedy from the Texas Book Depository building, it makes more sense he would have taken a shot at Kennedy as his car was directly in front of him as the car slowed to an almost complete stop as it made more than a 90 degree turn onto the Stemmons Freeway, not as the car disappeared through trees farther down the road.

A more logical place to kill Kennedy was to fire from directly at, or behind Kennedy from the Dal-Tex Building as it traveled directly away from it.

The Mafia hit man that made a jailhouse confession while serving a life sentience named the people in the Dal-Tex building, one being a well-known gangster whose name escapes me at the moment. He said his instructions were to take the shot at Kennedy only if he had not received a head shot by that time. He said with a scope it was like shooting somebody right in front of him. He said he aimed for Kennedy's temple, but hit the back of his head because Kennedy was lunging forward from the previous shots from behind.

Oswald, according to his mistress, Judyth Vary Baker, had begun to catch on shortly before the killing that he was being set up to take the fall for killing Kennedy. He told Judyth it didn't make sense because he was a terrible shot, which his military training revealed he was. Others who trained with Oswald confirmed that. In one instance, Oswald scored "Maggie's drawers," meaning he did not even hit the target.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:23 PM

7. I believe Oswald got the neck shot

But the kill shot came from behind. Whether it was from the knoll or the bridge will be forever debated. I am of the opine it was from behind the knoll. I have previously read many of the accounts you have posted.


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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:10 PM

10. I don't think Oswald fired a gun at Kennedy

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:22 PM

11. That's one I haven't read

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My first book was "On the Trail of the Assassins" by Garrison, then DA in New Orleans. His research was the building block for other serious researchers to follow.

My only beef with Garrison was he shielded the Mafia from his findings, either because he had dealings with the Mafia, including Marcello, or perhaps he valued his life too much. Garrison was not aware of the depth of the intelligence community's involvement when he brought Clay Shaw to trial, the only time someone was put on trial for the crime of killing the president. He did not know Shaw was working for the CIA. To show where the media was in those days, they launched a campaign to destroy Garrison's reputation resulting in his divorce. Even Garrison's wife wanted him to back off the investigation. The negative reporting was that effective.

Garrison didn't know it but he probably had more to fear from the CIA than the Mafia.

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:57 PM

4. there are several discrepancies in the "lone assassin" theory of rfk's death

the number and caliber of the bullets far exceeded the 8 .22s in sirhan's gun. there was no time for sirhan to reload.
the bullets, and any ballistic evidence is lost.

"Kennedy was hit by four bullets fired into the back of his head — including the fatal shot. But Sirhan had been standing in front of Kennedy."

I am intrigued by the mind control aspects of the event. sirhan has described what can only be described as drug enhanced hypnosis. the cia mkultra experiments are so described.

motive : if rfk had been elected president, which seemed possible, he would have re opened the investigation into his brother's murder. Nixon, or Humphrey, could be relied upon to keep the lid on but rfk was a wild card.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:21 PM

6. After JFK was killed, Bobby Kennedy figured he would head the investigation of his brother's death

That was quickly taken from his hands by Johnson, who rapidly appointed anti-Kennedy people to the Warren Commission. Dulles had just been fired by Kennedy.

Bobby Kennedy's son revealed how his father was enraged about being forced to stand down concerning his brother's murder investigation. He should have made more noise about it......before they got him too.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:25 PM

8. I have a copy of the warren report.

A hard read and it takes many rereads of portions to get the gist of what they are trying to detail.

Still reading it after many years of owning.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:01 PM

9. And yet, some of the most tell-tale evidence lies in what the report does not include

Like testimony of Dr. Mary Sherman, an orthopedic surgeon who worked for Dr. Alton Ochsner, along with David Ferrie, Lee Oswald and Judyth Vary Baker in Ferrie's apartment in Uptown New Orleans. The objective was to create a cancer causing virus that the CIA was to administer to Castro.

Why no testimony from Dr. Sherman? She was murdered the day before she was to testify to the Warren Commission, but then that is surely just another one of those coincidences surrounding the JFK assassination.

In some cases, testimony damaging to the lone assassin theory was altered in the report. One flabbergasted woman pointed to her account and boldly stated that was NOT what she said, and told Kennedy researchers that the signature of a notary was bogus because there was no notary in the room when she was interviewed.

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