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Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:43 AM

Looking to buy a fridge, looking for suggestions

Here's the deal. We currently have a Samsung french door with the additional middle drawer. It's not bad but it's only 6 years old, has been serviced twice and now is starting to make odd noises. I think it may be time to replace it. I'm having some trouble finding something new that fits our criteria. Maybe I'm searching wrong.

Here's the requirements:

It can't be any wider than 36 inches. There is only one place a fridge will fit and that's all the room there is. As it is I'm a half inch into the opening and steps into our living room.

It MUST be at least 28 cubic feet. That's what we have now and it's packed. Can't go any smaller.

Stainless is a must. Everything else is and I'm not replacing everything.

Due to the layout of the kitchen french door with a center drawer is critical. I had a side by side when I moved in and I hated it. You can't fit anything large in the freezer. A single door won't work because it would hit the center island.

This is more of a want than a need. If it has to have an icemaker, I'l really prefer something with metal, rather than plastic internal parts. This damn Samsung is on it's third now due to the nylon parts breaking.

Here's the kicker: NO WIFI. Network security is notoriously crappy on smart appliances. I don't need some asshole using my appliances to serve up child porn or zero day warez or something similar. Besides I not not need and do not want to have to use a damn phone to operate my home.

Anybody know of anything that fits the bill?

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Reply Looking to buy a fridge, looking for suggestions (Original post)
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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:48 AM

1. What kind of noises is it making?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:51 AM

3. It keeps groaning.....

“feed me” Currents IT dude!

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Response to oflguy (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:00 AM

4. The closest approximation can give is like an intermittent wheezing, or like a bellows pumping.

I'm guessing the compressor is in the process of dying.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:12 AM

7. The noise is coming from the bottom of the refrigerator?

You say it was serviced twice. What was done?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:20 AM

9. Ice maker replacement. We're on our third.

It's coming from the rear. It does seem to be coming from the lower half.

FWIW, this is a Samsung. It wasn't cheap. I have to say I am not impressed with the reliability. In addition when I arrived we found some very small amounts of corrosion on the stainless around the water and ice dispenser. When I initially called we were told they would replace the door. When I called back a month later to see where our door was I was told they had decided to deny the claim and that it was "normal wear the tear". Apparently it is perfectly normal for Samsung appliances to come rotting from the factory.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:47 AM

13. More than likely it is the condenser fan motor

I wouldn't scrap a refrigerator for a fan motor, but that is just me. If you want, shoot me the model number and I'll google how to access the fan motor to see if that is causing the noise. They don't run continuously, only when the thermostat "calls" for the compressor to run.


Two ice makers already? Wow. Did they say what failed on them?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

15. RF4287HARS

The first time the nylon auger inside stripped itself out. The second time the level sensor died and it simply refused to make ice at all.

I swear when it gets going it sounds like The Little Engine That Could.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:07 AM

18. This may not be the exact same model number, but they are all variations on a theme

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Response to oflguy (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:20 AM

20. I'll have a look. Thanks!

We may still end up replacing it outright, but hopefully it will buy some time.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:25 AM

21. One more thing

The newer refrigerators have a special troubleshooting technique whereby you can use the refrigerator door light switch to enter a "diagnostic mode." Google your model number and it may tell you how many times to click the switch to enter the mode.
Once in the mode, you can force the refrigerator components to come on one at a time. That way, you may be able to isolate the noise to which component.

Your users manuel may have more info. Call Samsung if you like.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:34 AM

23. That's a hell of a suggestion. Thanks!

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:40 AM

25. It could mean you don't have to pull the refrigerator out and open the back

Considering how fancy it is, the diagnostic mode may be entered from the LED display

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Response to oflguy (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:44 AM

26. I'm regretting all that "fancy" now.

I've managed to get it into diagnostics. I'll have to read up on how to step through.

You know it kills me. Prior to this we had a very nice basic Frigidaire that would fit my current bill. It was only 8 months old when our house burned and wouldn't you know it was no longer made.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:57 AM

27. Good luck

Let me know how it works out

I'm thinking it could be something as simple as a plastic fan blade or perhaps the condenser fan motor, which is a cheap item

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Response to oflguy (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 05:11 PM

30. How did you make out?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:51 PM

34. How did you make out?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 08:09 PM

35. So far I am baffled

I've stepped it through to no avail. I'm going to have to run over and see if I can physically narrow it down.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

36. No luck with the diagnostic test?

Was there a step for the condenser fan?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #36)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 01:26 AM

37. Yes, found the service manual

I was able to cycle all of the components. Nothing. I can only assume whatever it is is dependent on certain specific conditions in the house, perhaps humidity causing something to be strained or to expand and bind.

For what it's worth it seems to mostly occur in the morning. Considering it has no clock I am not sure how that is significant.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 08:13 AM

38. I gather that the refrigerator was not making the noise when you ran the diagnostics

I hate symptoms that come and go.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:40 PM

39. Ice makers always go.

I had 3 ice makers in one 14 months with a GE model for which we paid $1,700+ in 2007. I finally just gave up and bought a bags of ice which stood up nicely in the corner of the freezer drawer.

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Response to Lira (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 12:04 AM

40. A problem with an inoperative ice maker is most refrigerators use the ice maker to control

the defrost cycle, If the ice maker goes out, the defrost cycles cease. This means over a period of time, probably months, ice builds up around the cooling coils in the freezer and insulates them, causing the compressor to run continuously while the temperature slowly climbs.

One day, you notice the milk is souring more often because the temperature has increased. Adjusting the thermostat does no good because the compressor is already running all the time.

The only way to remedy the problem is to empty the freezer and unplug the refrigerator to let the ice melt on the coils. This takes hours.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 11:49 AM

41. That was not a problem

I had, thank heaven. I lived without the ice maker for more than 2 years; perhaps I was lucky.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:49 AM

2. We bought this one a little over a year ago

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:05 AM

6. I like the design, but yeah, a bit too small.

The thing is we store a lot of stuff in the freezer. There's usually 15 or 20 steaks in there, a couple of those Costco multipacks of chicken thighs and drumsticks, Some assorted vacuum bags of vegetables, etc.

I've got a big freezer in the garage, but the damn thing is over 30 years old and it's on it's way out, not to mention the electricity it costs me to run. I may end up having to replace both and just end up storing the bulk of our food out there.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

14. The 30 year old freezer probably uses R-12

Which is more efficient than the newer refrigerants (better coefficient of performance). That means a new one will cost more to run for the same capacity, unless the old one has a dirty condenser coil.

Could be well worth the effort to check the coil to see if it is plugged with dust.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:56 AM

16. It's all good now. Just gave it a thorough cleaning over the weekend.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:18 AM

19. Good, hang onto it if it uses R-12

When I bought my refrigerator some 30 years ago, the salesman asked me if I wanted one that uses the new refrigerant or the "old" R-12. It took me all of one second to answer R-12. About two years ago I had to replace a defrost heater which required major disassembly of the interior, but I gladly did it.


A coil cleaning every couple of years or three and its good to go for another two or three. The only other fix was the replacement of a plastic part on the little flap that closes whenever I use the in-door ice dispenser. The flap would not open, allowing ice to accumulate on top of it. I replaced it with a metal part and we were chugging along once more. It will never fail again.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:06 AM

17. You are beginning to reach commercial sizes

and you may not find a suitable size and size you are looking for. It may be better to upscale your freezer and go that way instead. The newer freezers are much more efficient when it come so power consumption so you may actually get that benefit from the 30 year old one.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:02 AM

5. Good luck with that.

We ended up with Kitchenaid that looks similar to the one Butchie posted. We had to remove the cabinets that were over the old fridge because we couldn't find anything that height any longer. Ours doesn't have any Smart features and, like you, we don't want any.

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Response to HerasHeaddress (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:14 AM

8. Luckily there are no cabinets above, and our kitchen ceiling is cathedral,

So at least that's not an issue.

It kills me. If I could go to 42 inch width all sorts of options open up. It's just to do that I'd have to tear out a set of needed cabinets, and move the dishwasher to make it work. We have concrete countertops, so that would mean I would need to rent a concrete saw and then re-acid stain the fresh cut edge, not to mention the fact that I'd protrude into the serving window down to the bar at the end of our living room. It's just unworkable.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:22 AM

10. My sister had a Samsung...

Every damn year the circuit board on the ice maker would go. They kept up the service warranty just to keep repairing the ice maker and like clockwork, it needed a new one. They replaced the entire fridge under a lemon law deal.

Their LG is holding up better but still has needed repairs.

I bought a whirlpool gold and have had no problems whatsoever.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:32 AM

11. We had a Samsung dishwasher.

It was an $800 machine who's sole feature was to make dirty dishes even filthier. We have a Kitchen Aid now. It isn't great, but it's not horrible.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:38 AM

12. I have a samsung oven range and micro.

They’re doing fine. But I would never buy a fridge from them.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:27 AM

22. Keep it simple. The less flashy electronics on it, the better. My policy on all appliances i.e.

washer, dryer, stove, etc.

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:35 AM

24. I'm with you. The dumber the better.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:03 PM

28. If you're thinking about child porn when buying a fridge then you have bigger issues

than keeping food cold.

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Response to foia (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:13 PM

29. I'm in IT. It's my job to think of vulnerabilities

And this would not be the first time a no-knock raid was conducted against an innocent family that had been compromised.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 05:30 PM

31. OK - I'm ''late to the party" so to speak,

but after reading all the responses,

here's my thoughts.

Unless you want something basically different from what you already got, I'd keep fixing it. Get a fridge repair outfit (after due diligence of course) and pick the guy's brains while he's there (hmmm - is that sexist assuming it's gonna be a man? )

Strictly from a $$ point of view - the cost of repairing it might be less than the cost of moving/reinstalling it, let alone the purchase cost . . .

just an old mekanik/McGuyver dude musing . . . .

Good Luck with whatever ya do



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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 05:34 PM

32. Really what I'd like to do

Is to go commercial. That however is stupid expensive.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 05:47 PM

33. Well - "stupid expensive" is sorta relative to one's assets . . .

If one can afford it - why not?

Oh yeah - a 5-10k commercial fridge/freezer would seem a bit outrageous to some, but if the 28 cu. ft. barely satisfies your needs . . . .



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