Beliefsslaves

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:28 PM

Slavery.

Ever wonder why there isn't a commandment against slavery?
I'll tell you why. The primitive assholes that wrote the 10 commandments and Torah liked owning people. They couldn't mess that up now could they?

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Reply Slavery. (Original post)
SlayerNut Feb 2017 OP
Shkreli Feb 2017 #1
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #13
Aldar Feb 2017 #2
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #14
Aldar Feb 2017 #17
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #19
JaimeBondoJr Feb 2017 #3
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #8
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #26
Social_Justice Feb 2017 #4
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #11
D26-15 Feb 2017 #41
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #43
Gunslinger201 Feb 2017 #5
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #10
Gunslinger201 Feb 2017 #21
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #24
JaimeBondoJr Feb 2017 #32
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #33
Cold Warrior Feb 2017 #23
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #29
Cold Warrior Feb 2017 #37
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #39
rampartb Feb 2017 #6
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #7
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #9
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #12
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #15
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #16
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #18
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #25
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #27
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #28
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #35
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #45
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #47
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #48
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #50
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #52
Duke Lacrosse Feb 2017 #54
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #20
Aldar Feb 2017 #22
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #30
rahtruelies Feb 2017 #31
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #34
His Daughter Feb 2017 #36
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #38
His Daughter Feb 2017 #40
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #42
His Daughter Feb 2017 #44
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #46
Currentsitguy Feb 2017 #49
Ravenquills Feb 2017 #53
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #55
Ravenquills Feb 2017 #51
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #56

Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:29 PM

1. Lol. In your lifetime.

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Response to Shkreli (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:49 PM

13. any ideas as to why

God would have not forbidden slavery for humans with his cool top 10 list?
I have an idea as to why..
you don't seem to.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:30 PM

2. pointless op

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Response to Aldar (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:50 PM

14. so you don't

Have an idea as to why god didn't forbid slavery?

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:01 PM

17. pointless op

I am not a religious person

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Response to Aldar (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:04 PM

19. neither am I.

Maybe it's pointless to you.
It's intriguing to me.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:32 PM

3. Weren't the "assholes who wrote the Torah" owned for like... 400 years?

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:44 PM

8. by who?

The Egyptians?
Never happened.

If they were.. don't you think they would have made it so nobody had to be owned again?
Roflmao..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:14 PM

26. The Jews certrainly didn't invent slavery. It's dealt with in detail in the Code of Hammurabi.

Written around 1760 BC, at which time slavery was widely practiced by the Babylonians and others. Obviously it started long before that.

The good news is that at least some of us have become sufficiently enlightened to eliminate it. The authors of the Bible are long dead. Nobody can go back in time and change what they were or how they thought. But maybe we CAN do something about slavery as it exists RIGHT NOW.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:32 PM

4. Yep...those Torah writing people (wink!) were primitives like animals.

Good thing LEFTY doesn't do much to address the slavery in the world during our enlightened age.

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Response to Social_Justice (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:48 PM

11. I think lewis black said

Something like " they were 3 hairs away from being baboons"

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:23 PM

41. Lewis Black is your 'go to' man for information?

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Response to D26-15 (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:25 PM

43. Hell no.

It's just a funny line from a part of his routine about the torah.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:33 PM

5. People are owned as we speak

The Muslims still practice it

(Reason 3,000,006 to Destroy Islam)

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:47 PM

10. Well Allah never said they couldn't.

If only he had included that, maybe they wouldn't be doing it now.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:07 PM

21. Yeah and if he didn't say this

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers smite at their necks;



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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:12 PM

24. Yeah. .

But he did.
He said you Can't kill, then listed people to kill..
Assholes like isis are so devout that they follow these insane words to a T.
Surely they wouldn't own slaves if Allah forbade it. Unless Allah said somethjng like yiu can't own slaves, except for Jews. They'd have Jewish slaves..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:21 PM

32. Or maybe the primitive assholes who wrote the Quran also left that part out.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:22 PM

33. surely they did..

Allah never changed his mind from when he allowed the Hebrews to do it.
Not their fault..

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:10 PM

23. Exactly! Typical disingenuous OP

Yes, the Bible, including the Torah, does not speak out against slavery, practiced by the Jews and subsequently by the Romans. Neither does the Koran, practiced by Muslims in multiple contexts.

The OP is clearly agenda driven in its mention of one and not of the other.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:18 PM

29. eh?

You do realize Allah, yahweh and jehovah etc.. are all the same god right?

I never mentioned Jews or muslims or christians.. christians and fuckin muslims weren't even around at that time anyway..

Stop bullshitting and accusing me of shit I didn't do.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:59 PM

37. You specifically called out the 10 commandments and the Torah

Yes, I'm well aware of the place of Islam in the Abrahamic religions. Yet your post calls out two of those three religions. You couldn't find anything to support your premise in the Q'aran?

I am an atheist but tire of clever people who fault Christianity because they know nothing of other religions.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:07 PM

39. I called out the Torah because

That's where the 10 commandments came from. Duh.
Where did I mention Christians in my op?
I said the primitive assholes that wrote the torah. Christians didn't write the torah.
Stop making shit up.

Why do I have to mention muslims everytime christianity comes up?
Maybe I'll add a sig line that says..

....and muslims too!

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:42 PM

6. 1811 slave revolt

i did not learn about this event in my louisiana history class, maybe because it fit between the louisiana purchase and the battle of new orleans. this is good article.

http://www.nola.com/300/2017/02/1811_louisiana_slave_revolt_091921.html#incart_river_home_pop

For years, the story of the German Coast slave revolt -- as it has become known, named after the area originally settled by German pioneers -- was a largely overlooked part of history, by the design of slaveholders. That has changed in recent years, fueled by recent scholarship, most notably historian Daniel Rasmussen's 2011 book "American Uprising: The Untold Story of America's Largest Slave Revolt," which finally told that story in full -- and which went on to become a New York Times best-seller.

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"I don't think the United States as a whole understood that the enslaved black population were as unhappy as they were,'' said Hazel Taylor, the special project coordinator at Destrehan Plantation, in a 2011 interview with The Times-Picayune. "Slave owners had a tendency to say that (slaves) were happy. What this did was put awareness on the people who were being oppressed."

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:42 PM

7. Civilized societies have abolished slavery. I can think of one major worldwide religion...

...that explicitly permits it.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:46 PM

9. yes.

However, the fact that slavery was allowed by god tells you everything you need to know about god and who created him.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:49 PM

12. The Judeo-Christian God was invented thousands of years ago. The society from...

...which it arose is now well beyond condoning slavery.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:53 PM

15. right.

The people that invented him liked owning people.
Technically, according to the book, you can still own people and god won't get you for it.
Why bother with the book at all of it was clearly written by men, not a god.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 12:55 PM

16. Gods can't write books. Only people can do that.

Life was short and brutal thousands of years ago.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:03 PM

18. I agree with that.

Can't convince too many others though.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:13 PM

25. You make it sound like slavery in our "civilized society" was long, long ago.

It was not. It was very recent history, even more recent slavery in Africa itself by Europeans living there.

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:15 PM

27. It ended multiple generations ago. How much longer ago need it be for our society...

...to be let off the hook for the sins of our ancestors?

How about focusing on the people who are still practicing slavery TODAY?

Did you know that there are still open slave markets in some parts of the world, TODAY?

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:17 PM

28. Okay. Sounds great. Can we talk about slavery without the other shit? Is that even possible?

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:47 PM

35. By all means, please proceed.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:35 PM

45. Is the taking and keeping of slaves indicative of other moral deficiencies?

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:10 PM

47. I think it indicates a flawed and barbaric attitude about the value of fellow humans.

A culture that embraces slavery needs to be updated or eliminated.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:31 PM

48. But some of our own Founding Fathers owned slaves, and we value their words as infallible.

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:48 PM

50. No, "we" do not. You are trying to put up a strawman.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 05:03 PM

52. Oh? How easy is it to change the Constitution?

It's not impossible to amend, but nearly so, for the very reason that we -- some of us -- put a very high value on their words. Half owned slaves, though seven of the biggest names later became abolitionists.

Of the 50+ predominantly Muslims countries, about 12% allow slavery of some form, including indentured servitude.




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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 06:43 PM

54. You know the rules - 2/3 of both houses of Congress plus 3/4 of state legislatures.

That seems to be about right to me. It's been working OK for a long time.

How easy do you think it should be?



...Half owned slaves, though seven of the biggest names later became abolitionists....

None of my ancestors ever owned a slave. Most were Mennonites, explicitly opposed to slavery. The sins of other peoples' ancestors are not my problem.

...Of the 50+ predominantly Muslims countries, about 12% allow slavery of some form, including indentured servitude.

That's a SHIT TON of countries with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people living in them, and almost 70 MILLION people living in slavery. The biggest offenders include come countries that are supposedly our allies.

I think that's a pretty big problem.






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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:06 PM

20. There have been other authors of supposedly God-given texts that owned people, too.



We forgive them because .... Jesus. You see, their views about owning people was f*cked up beyond all recognition, but their concept of personal gun ownership came straight from God.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:09 PM

22. Originally, there were 15 commandments

Maybe it was in commandments 11-15

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Response to Aldar (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:20 PM

30. Maybe. .

Then why would the Hebrews exclude it unless, like I said, they liked owning slaves..

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:20 PM

31. maybe G_d is Right and you are wrong

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:34 PM

34. Well obviously..

God is always right.
I mean he even gave them rules on how to treat their slaves..
how hard to hit them and stuff like that..
Such a lovely character is he not?

God must also be right when he told muslims to kill infidels.. when he told Hebrews to slaughter villages and christians to slaughter others as well.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 01:54 PM

36. Jews have never accepted the owning of slaves

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:03 PM

38. Yet, they owned and traded slaves.

How did they manage that if they were against it?

Really hebrews didn't completely own anything according to Torah law but they did have and trade slaves back then and later on.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:19 PM

40. My Rabbi says otherwise. Any citation other than old testament?

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:24 PM

42. Not off the top of my head.

I can research it later if it's that important.

Are there any sources other than the old testament for any of the other tthings in Genesis?
No.
but you've got me curious now..
I'll check when I get to my desktop later.. phone sucks for shit like that..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:28 PM

44. Thanks...certainly in the Roman era they did not support it.

Curious to see if they did previously, but slogging through the Old Testament is not worth it. I will see if I can get a hold of my rabbi friend and ask him too.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 03:26 PM

46. It seems like while they did

participate in the slave trade during various eras, including colonial America, but they didn't believe in complete ownership of another person. That was against their laws. The ol' indentured servitude thing comes up a lot.
So it seems to be some middle ground there where, yes, they owned slaves, but they had to free them in certain cases and were subject to punishment for treating them too harshly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery
Yeah, it's wikipedia.. but there are tons of references to books by historians and rabbis and stuff.

When the Torah was written there aren;t too many other texts available to either confirm or deny that hebrews owned slaves. We can only go by what they wrote down in the books and since they had rules for how to treat slaves, how much to sell them for and how long to keep hebrew slaves, I'd say they had slaves back then as well.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:45 PM

49. Are you sure this isn't what happened?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 05:21 PM

53. could be

but perhaps someone had a moment similar to this first...


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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 08:24 PM

55. Well, you know goddamned well

that is exactly what happened.
hahahah

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 04:54 PM

51. Humans lack.....Humanity often...religion, slavery etc

many religions and societies have condoned the owning the slaves. Our founding fathers , many of them owned slaves, some of them even deplored the so called "necessity" of owning slaves. Even a flawed human being can give us words of wisdom now and then. Actually even a fucking human monster can deliver words of wisdom now and then. To me what matters is what we do today, what we condone today and the fact that belief in or no belief in god should never be used to justify shitty behavior.

I will only judge a human being on their behavior not on their belief or lack thereof. Frankly I find that as an atheist i have to hold myself fully accountable for my behaviors as i have no supernatural power to blame my shitty behavior on and my good behavior is mine to equally own.

I do not find it surprising their is no commandment against slavery those were written during a time when slaves were the spoils of war and the mark of wealth.

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Response to Ravenquills (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 08:33 PM

56. Maybe it was a way for them

to start phasing out slavery without banning it outright.
They still kinda needed it.
So they didn't make it a commandment.
Can't covet though, which drives the economy, so.. maybe that's where they fucked up.

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