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BanachTarskiParadox Feb 2017 OP
wisbadger Feb 2017 #1
marmot84 Feb 2017 #3
wisbadger Feb 2017 #4
marmot84 Feb 2017 #2
wisbadger Feb 2017 #5
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #7
wisbadger Feb 2017 #8
His Daughter Feb 2017 #11
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #6
BanachTarskiParadox Feb 2017 #14
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #15
BanachTarskiParadox Feb 2017 #16
BuzzClik Feb 2017 #18
BanachTarskiParadox Feb 2017 #22
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #9
frankt8242 Feb 2017 #10
BanachTarskiParadox Feb 2017 #13
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #17
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #19
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #20
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #21
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #23
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #24
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #25
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #26
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #27
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #28
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #29
SlayerNut Feb 2017 #30
Frankenvoter Feb 2017 #31
Mouth of Chaos Feb 2017 #12

Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:20 PM

1. Kind of ironic, seems to me she's the one throwing stones with that sign. LOL

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Response to wisbadger (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:21 PM

3. You call voicing her opinion

throwing stones? Wake up - cruel Orange king Donald hasn't managed to suspend the 1st Amendment just yet.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:22 PM

4. What is she referring to about others throwing stones?

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Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:20 PM

2. Excellent

perfectly describes them.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:24 PM

5. Muslims?

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Response to wisbadger (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:30 PM

7. Give you a 10 for snark, but a 0 for content.

Muslims aren't big fans of jeebus.

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:34 PM

8. But it says "alt jesus"

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:50 PM

11. Actually he has a role in Islam

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Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:29 PM

6. I know that old bat!

She's the nosey b*tch who pulled up alongside my car while we were rotting at a long red light. She rolled down her window and screamed, "Hands free only!" because I was holding my cellphone. I pretended to be deaf.

Listen, Granny -- drop the Christian hypocrisy theme. They don't care, at least not now. They can answer to God in the afterlife. Move on to something that doesn't criticize their personal lives, which are none of your f*cking business.

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:54 PM

14. Why should the hypocrisy of so-called "Christians" not be called out?

 

Listen, Granny -- drop the Christian hypocrisy theme. They don't care, at least not now. They can answer to God in the afterlife. Move on to something that doesn't criticize their personal lives, which are none of your f*cking business.

The late Fr. Phil Berrigan described himself as "a Catholic, trying to become a Christian".

Regarding the so-called Christian Right, Fr. Berrigan had this to say


Fighting the Lamb's War: Skirmishes with the American Empire.

The Autobiography of Phillip Berrigan, with Fred A. Wilcox

(from page 219 of the 1996 edition.)



snip-----------------

My critics say that I must "Love or Leave" America. I have never considered becoming an expatriate. This is my country. I was born and raised here. The United States has fostered and nourished me. And even though the government does not represent the people, this country belongs to us.

People talk about taking the country back from the usurpers, but what does this mean? In the name of liberty and justice, Pat Buchanan and friends want to establish an Old Testament Theocracy. In their ideal world the state will not only be God’s representative on earth; the state will be God. Persecuting the poor, abolishing Affirmative Action, building more prisons, executing more prisoners, expanding police powers, burning books, denying gay men and women jobs, fanning the fires of bigotry and hate, nourishing the addiction to war; all this will be an expression of God’s will.

How anyone can claim to be a Christian and believe these things is beyond comprehension. The God of the so-called Christian Right is a God of hate, not love; revenge, not forgiveness; death, not life. Such a God is bigoted and spiteful, a misogynist who inflicts pain and misery on the human family. The Christian Right’s vision stems neither from the Bible nor the Constitution, but from the dark and frightened recesses of the human psyche.

As for myself, I continue to resist because there is no alternative. I will not join the establishment. That would be deeply repugnant to me. I intend to stay here, witnessing against violence and madness, obsession with property and glorification of privilege.

Plowshare activists go to jail in order to resist the empire. We are innocent, but there is no other way to make our statement. We make it publicly, in court, before the press and anyone who cares to listen. We do not choose to go to prison. That is the government’s decision. We violate unjust laws, and take the consequences, whatever they may be. But our submission doesn’t mean that we respect the corrupt judicial system. We go to prison for our nonviolent beliefs, not because we accept the empire’s rules.

I remember one quotation from the Book of John, where Jesus says something like, “If they hate me, they will hate you also.” The implication; if they do not hate you, you are not living the life you profess to live. That is, following me.”

Two thousand years have passed, and Caesar reigns. The military occupies our country, a hierarchy of the rich and powerful controls the people’s lives, taxing the poor, beating, jailing, killing, those who resist imperial policies.

For over a period of two thousand years, the Bible has been largely ignored or defiled. The life of Christ is not preached by the established church, and it is not lived by many Christians; not to be wondered that so many “Christians” despise the poor and support the military.

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Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:58 PM

15. If these Christians (so-called or real) leave others alone to live their lives,...

... then they, too, should be left alone, regardless of the level of their hyprocrisy.

However, anyone who shoves their nose in others' business deserves to have their nose bent.

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:06 AM

16. In the age of Trump, who else should remain silent?

 

Muslims? Jews? Atheists?

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Response to BuzzClik (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:24 PM

22. Not my place as an atheist to have the last word on this. I'll let the faith communities have it.

 

Have the last word.

Houses of Worship Sign Up to House Undocumented Immigrants During Raids

Amy Zimmer

MANHATTAN — As fear grips the city’s immigrant communities after this weekend’s arrests by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, many houses of worship across the boroughs are gearing up to provide refuge to undocumented New Yorkers in the event of future raids.

Interfaith networks focused on social justice issues, like the New Sanctuary Coalition of New York and Faith in New York, have seen a tremendous uptick in congregations reaching out to help since President Donald Trump took office and began issuing executive orders targeting immigrants.

Communities are figuring out how they can offer space to shelter someone at risk of detention and deportation — despite their status in the U.S. — whether it's overnight, for a week or for months, advocates said. Others are offering other assistance, like food for those staying at other churches or temples.

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170214/union-square/sanctuary-movement-undocumented-immigrants?utm_content=bufferd3311&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=DNAinfoNY

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Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:37 PM

9. Yeah, well in case you forgot

When Jesus returns it is not so he can be a nice guy about things.

Liberal atheist scum like the used up hag cat lady you have pictured will spit on people, smugly, and then drone on about how we are supposed to "turn the other cheek" like Jesus commanded us to do. And I will have to remind them that yes, that is true, when he was here the first time.

But he also turned over the tables of the money changers, a very non pacifist act if you ask me. Until someone can tell me why I am supposed to follow one example, and not the other, I choose the other.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:08 PM

10. Jesus will definitely return on Friday...

My lawn needs mowing...

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:57 PM

13. Jesus came to the USA, crossing our southern border.

 

When Jesus returns it is not so he can be a nice guy about things.

Jesus them performed a miracle, saving the life of a little boy.

Then Jesus was deported, as an undocumented immigrant.

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Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:07 AM

17. Nice try

I'm sure you meant a Mexican illegal named hay-soos, I understand they like to name a lot of their kids that way same as every other muslim is a muhammed (makes me wonder though if THEY freak out over having their picture taken), anyway, When Jesus returns, the real one, he will have a flaming sword of truth and will be whipping his enemies, not hay-soos with a flaming grill, whipping up some fajitas.

For the record, I am not anti Mexican the way a lot of people are, they are taking our jobs because they work twice as hard for half the money, they are there every day and don't call in sick just because they have a few weeks worth of sick time they will lose if they don't use it. (Typical union thuggism).

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:12 AM

19. in case you forgot,

Jesus was supposed to come back in the lifetime of his disciples/apostles.
Says it right in Matthew.

Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.


Funny, especially since they were long dead by the time some idiot decided to write that all down.

So for the last 2000 years members of this Jewish apocalyptic cult have been making up excuses.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:26 PM

20. Sounds like you have a small bit of fear about your upcoming judgement

"It'll never happen, It'll never happen, it was all BS" etc etc.

Don't worry though, there's always time to accept Jesus, and quit listening to that band.

Anytime Tormentor, dead skin mask, angel of death, etc try creeping into my mind I just plaster this over it:



The devil aint got nothing on God, he might be an angel of light, but he's a pale comparison.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:00 PM

21. Jesus said it himself.

His own prophecy failed.
You somehow turn it on me saying I fear something.. lol
Has nothing to do with Slayer songs or the devil.
Only the bible..

Says it right there and it never happened.
So keep making excuses for the failed prophecies of your false Jewish prophet.
Why would anyone believe the false prophet and why should I listen to the believers in the false prophet when they tell me I'll be judged?
He didn't come back when he said he would.
DEAL with it..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:33 PM

23. He came to his disciples after his crucifixtion

They were all doubters up until he appeared to them, after that was then they willingly allowed themselves to be martyred.

http://biblestudyplanet.com/2013/04/01/3-things-jesus-did-after-his-resurrection/

And I will tell you again I am not a church going Christian, I am a bit heretical in my beliefs which is why according to the people you would like to lump me in with, I will be in hell too.

I just know what I know, due to the path I have taken in life which is to go from being Luciferian to Christian, and I know from personal experience that when Jesus shows up, demons flee, including their boss.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:41 PM

24. Jesus shows up and demons flee?

Roflmao..
Flee to where?
Jesus was a false prophet. . The new testament proves it..
The Jews have known all along..
So he can't make anything flee..
He doesn't exist.l as anything supernatural..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:19 PM

25. Laugh all you want

Means nothing to me.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:40 PM

26. didn't think it would.

But jesus's words should and they prove he's a false prophet.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:13 PM

27. You sound like a biblical scholar

Someone who knows every word of it. Or are you just cherry picking what fits your outlook on things?

I give a shit you seem to think he should have returned by now. There were people back in the 1800's who supposedly knew the timing on it and gathered out in the woods somewhere to wait on the coming of God. Then the year 2000 was supposed to be the end of everything. Then the Mayans had a lock on it in 2012. Now according to several you tube vids Sept. 23 of this year is the date.

No one will know the hour or the day. One of the reasons I quit watching John Hagee when he came out with that blood moon prophecy. Anyone who claims to know the timing I am done with after that because again, no one will know the hour or the day.

He will be arriving like a thief in the night, meaning while you are asleep and unaware, at your most vulnerable. Do you lock the door before you go to bed? Of course you do because that is when anyone can do anything to you while you are in a very exposed position. Oh you'll wake up, once you've been bound and gagged by the intruder, after theres not diddly you can do about it.

And so metaphorically that is what they are talking about, it's gonna happen, in the blink of an eye. You'll have no warning, it just will be.

But I know I should defer to you and your biblical wisdom.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 07:45 AM

28. It's simple, man,

Did jesus say the words I quoted from Matthew or not?

I don't care what Mayans or charles Russell or Joe Smith or anyone else has to say about it.
We are talking about Jesus and those are the words he said.

I'm cherry picking? By using the words jesus himself said.. you can't answer it without having to jump through hoops to try to make it like that's not what he meant, so you ignore the question and try to make it like I am being dishonest.. roflmao..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:29 AM

29. I'm not sure he DID say them

Part of the reason I am considered a heretical Christian is that I cant and don't take the bible literally. There is a lot of truth in the bible, mixed in with a lot of abstractions and allegory's. I'm sure you've heard of the game people play where a sentence is whispered to one person, then passed on to the next, then the next, etc until it gets back around to the first and it is no where near what was origionally spoke.

100 years or so is a long time for information to be passed around before people start actually writing it down. The books of Mark, Matthew, Peter, and John, were not written by said people, no one actually knows who they were written by, but whoever did claimed they were the words of those people while they were here on Earth then passed on through a few generations around the campfire before they finally decided to put them down on papyrus.

As well as the fact that most of the writings of the bible are of Paul, who himself lived about 100 years after Christ, which just coincidentally has a lot of control aspects in it that the Roman authority had a woody over. They were fine with Christianity as long as the people who followed it knew they better give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

There are gospels of Simon, Mary, JUDAS, that were not included in the bible because they didn't match up with Paul and his Roman authority love. Havn't you ever heard the phrase "don't be a simple simon"? It is rooted in Simon's proclamation that you don't need to go to church, you don't need to submit to authority, you just have to believe in Jesus, who he said he was, and what he came here for. Not good if you're some mega church somewhere who likes that collection plate getting filled.

What I believe, is that when people talk of the trinity, God prime, his son Jesus, and the holy spirit, to me they are all one in the same, just like the 3 states of water, ice, liquid, steam. All 3 the same item, but in different states of being. And so I believe that Jesus was God, who assumed our form and walked as a human, to see the world through our eyes, walk a mile or two in our shoes to see why we do what we do, and what motivates us. To be able to relate to us better and us to him.

He took the punishment that is due me and you as well as all humans, to pay the price for our sin in the way a parent will sacrifice for their kids, because they love them so much. He rose from the dead creating a path for us to follow and that because we are flawed, there is no way we will ever be able to go forth and sin no more, no matter how much we try, but we do have to try, that's the best we can do.

I start with that opening sentence in the book of MY belief, and let things filter down from there. If a preacher I am listening to isn't on the same page as me, I go forth and listen no more to them. And why do I have this belief, why am I so sure? Go and read "post #666 why I am a Christian" in beliefs, if it is still here after the shutdown and reboot. It is too long to repeat for you in this post but I will in the next if I have to. If you cant find it, go ask strange luck, I know he read it, I'm sure he will be more than happy to tell you just how crazy he thinks I am.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:10 AM

30. Well the whole reason

For this subthread was because you said jesus was coming back.
I said jesus was a false prophet because of what he said in the bible about his return and waiting for him now or preparing for it now makes no sense because of what jesus said.
It's fine to be doubtful of the bible and what words are written in it, but saying jesus didn't say what the Bible. If you don't trust the bible for the words jesus really supposedly said, why trust any of it at all?
And I'd u don't trust any of it, why bother to say you are christian if most, all or some isn't true.
Unless you believe the message of the bible without believing in the divinity of jesus..
That makes you an atheist.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:23 AM

31. No, I believe the divinity of Jesus without believing every single word of the bible

I more than believe he rose from the dead, and is alive now in spirit. It was witnessed by hundreds of people, not just the disciples. David Limbaugh has a good book that takes a legal look at the claims and whether or not they can be believed. He approached it trying to disprove all the major points and found that he could not, that the miracles worked actually happened, and that he did rise from the dead.

It was the resurrection that caused the "religion" to be formed, not all the things done before the crucifixtion. It's up to you to believe, I am not trying to sway you, and I can tell you right now before you waste one more breath trying to sway me, it aint gonna happen.

Jesus was either who he said he was, or he was just the Criss Angel, or David Copperfield of his day. One or the other. It is up to you to decide whether the miracles he worked were real, and from God, or just someone who knew how to work that deck of cards with some slight of hand.

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Response to BanachTarskiParadox (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:54 PM

12. Sooo...

Alt-Jesus is Mohammad!
That seems to be right out of his camp.

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