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Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:45 AM

Are U.S. muslims more accepting of homosexuals than white Evangelicals?

Turns out..
They seem to be..

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/u-s-muslims-more-accepting-homosexuality-white-evangelicals-n788891

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In a survey conducted between January and May, 52 percent of U.S. Muslims said homosexuality should be accepted by society — an increase of 25 percentage since 2007. Comparatively, only 34 percent of white evangelical Protestants said they believed homosexuality should be accepted, the smallest percentage of any group surveyed. 
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Interesting.
Mainstream protestants were the most accepting, but the evangelicals were the least accepting.

Yaya.. it's a poll..
Fake news alert..
Whatever..

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Reply Are U.S. muslims more accepting of homosexuals than white Evangelicals? (Original post)
SlayerNut Aug 2017 OP
Aldar Aug 2017 #1
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #2
Aldar Aug 2017 #3
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #8
Aldar Aug 2017 #12
Mouth of Chaos Aug 2017 #24
Aldar Aug 2017 #25
Gunslinger201 Aug 2017 #4
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #6
Gunslinger201 Aug 2017 #11
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #14
Gunslinger201 Aug 2017 #18
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #21
Gunslinger201 Aug 2017 #22
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #31
News2Me Aug 2017 #5
def_con5 Aug 2017 #7
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #9
Daves Not Here Man Aug 2017 #10
TM999 Aug 2017 #13
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #16
TM999 Aug 2017 #19
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #20
TM999 Aug 2017 #23
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #32
TM999 Aug 2017 #33
rahtruelies Aug 2017 #15
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #17
southernwriter Aug 2017 #26
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #28
southernwriter Aug 2017 #27
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #29
southernwriter Aug 2017 #30
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #35
Bubba Aug 2017 #34
SlayerNut Aug 2017 #36

Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:54 AM

1. no

 

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Response to Aldar (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:55 AM

2. The article disagrees with you.

So..
Ya.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:57 AM

3. no

 

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Response to Aldar (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:08 AM

8. Aldar knows more

About US muslims and evangelical Protestants than muslims and evangelical Protestants do..
Way to go, bro!!
Who the fuck needs pew research when we can just ask you..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:31 AM

12. yep

 

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Response to Aldar (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:00 PM

24. I agree...

Aldar's correct.

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Response to Mouth of Chaos (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:01 PM

25. Thank you!

 

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:02 AM

4. Taqiyya



Yeah, when they are less than 10% of the population they're wonderful

Believe me, the more there are the more intolerant they become





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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:07 AM

6. perhaps.

Of course nobody wants any religious institutions to have any power in North America, regardless of percentage.

However. Younger American Muslims seem to be following the trend of other younger denominations of being more accepting of things like this.
The USA isn't Pakistan etc.. and they aren't forced under.penalty of death or imprisonment o follow those insane laws.
Baby boomer generation of muslims is still more against it, same as a lot of christians, but it shows the younger ones are tipping the scales.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:21 AM

11. If they are mainstreamed I would agree with that

But looking at the data from the "enclaves" that are forming in Dearborn and Minneapolis they may as well be back in Pakistan or Somalia

Once the radical clerics start working on the young and impressionable they are easily led astray (the way radical Lefties on College campuses screw up Western Kids)

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:31 AM

14. sure. If they fall for the

Bullshit. It's the same with evangelical preachers and youth and pretty much any other religion/denomination.
I think muslims, especially ones born in North America disagree with most of that crap unless they are in a strict fundamental muslim family. They have their faith but don't follow it to the letter like Sharia countries.
They know they won't be put to death for apostasy here.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:52 AM

18. Let's hope it's true

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:03 AM

21. Indeed.

A good start, especially for me, would be to see more of their leaders denouncing the Sharia law and the atrocities committed by those in charge of those areas. They must see the difference between our civilized society and the shit holes created by muslim rulers in the M.E. Saudi and UAE countries aren't exactly shit holes either, but they are still barbaric in their punishments for crimes thay shouldn't even exist.
Some do see the difference and denounce it, but most still seem scared to or just plain accept it as the way it is. If you are against it, say you are. Remaining silent only leaves people to judge for themselves based off of what they see happening.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:17 AM

22. CAIR doesn't help

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 06:58 AM

31. No, not a whole lot anyway.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:04 AM

5. That's interesting. I certainly wouldn't have expected those results.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:08 AM

7. It''s a survey

Remember everyone said they were voting for HRC.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:10 AM

9. Yeah. .

I don't know why people would lie.. especially the ones at rhe bottom of the poll..
A 25 percent jump in 10 years is a pretty good bump, especially for the muslim community.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:13 AM

10. Makes sense in a way.

Muslims over here are more than likely far less radicalized than their MI counterparts.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:31 AM

13. The Hadith clearly states that Muslims

may lie to non-believers in order to defeat them or protect themselves.

Taqiyya, Tawriya, and Muruna are clearly at work here. Islam is far more fundamentalistic than even white evangelicals (on a side note, I love how they make it about race when discussing religion because of course there are no Hispanic or AA evangelicals!). Christians may not believe that homosexuality should be permitted but they do not hang, stone to death, or throw homosexuals off buildings (from great heights). That is Sharia Law. That is Islam.

Taqiyya allows Muslims to lie to non-believers about any aspect of Muslim identity that is true but they are hiding. In their worldview, homosexuals are punishable by death in Islam.

Tawriya is at work here because they are intentionally creating a false impression that they are more accepting of it in America than elsewhere even though it is expressly forbidden by Islam, everywhere.

And Muruna allows Muslims to 'blend in' by putting aside aspects of Islam and Sharia Law in order to do so and eventually reimplement all of Islam and Sharia Law.

I may think evangelical Christians are bigots, but I know they are not lying and are not murderers for their faith.

I will always question an "American Muslim" who claims to accept homosexuality when the Quran, the Hadith, and Sharia Law expressly forbid it and it is a death sentence in Islamic theocratic states.

I know that everywhere that Islam controls a country, homosexuals don't just get cakes not baked for them but rather are murdered.

I know that Muhammad repeatedly lied to those he conquered, promising peace but instead bringing slaughter.

I know that the 9/11 Jihadist went to bars and drank alcohol in order to deceive others into believing they were not devout Muslims soon to perpetrate violence in Allah's name.

I know that ISNA & CAIR lie about their ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

I know that Linda Sarsour lies about being a 'progressive' when she is anything but!

The Quran itself only discusses the wrongs of lying when it says that Christians and Jews lie about Allah. In fact, go read about Allah being called the 'great deceiver'.

So yeah, a poll. A poll of Muslims of which we know not how many are 'lying for their faith'. And given how much lying is a part of Islamic Jihad, I don't trust this much at all.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:41 AM

16. Well you can assume they are lying.

That's fine.
I just think that they really are more accepting in North America.
They have gay friends, coworkers.. etc..
It took a long long time for the rest of us to get used to it and have a majority of society begin to accept it. Generations. But in one or 2 generations look what happens. It.only takes one or 2 to start the trend and it's gonna roll from there.
There will always be the fundies in the major religions that will spew their scripture based hate snd bigotry, but the trend could be real among muslims.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:15 AM

19. I don't assume.

I know the reality exists so I am cautious. I will believe it when I see it.

Yes, there will be fundies but Islam itself is fundie to its core. There is simply no debating that. It never modernized. It never went through any sort of 'reformation'. There is no Meca II like Vatican II. There is no theology in Islam. It was stamped out within 200 years of Islam's inception.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:57 AM

20. sure. anyone can lie.

I just have a more optimistic outlook I guess.
Even though I'm no fan of religions, I'd like for everyone to get along. Islam has a long long way to go.. especially in the middle east.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:37 AM

23. Sure, anyone can.

And Islam has no prohibitions against it baked right into its 'holy book'. Therefore, we are not surprised by them lying repeatedly through out history until today.

Not everyone can or will get along. For every compassionate westerner who believes that we can all just 'coexist', there are hundreds of Muslims who will enslave and kill you for being an non-believer in Allah and his pedophile. Oops, I mean prophet.

They have a long way to go everywhere. From SE Asia, to the ME, to Europe to the Americas, there is little difference in how they act as a majority. Moderates are shut down constantly. The latest is a female lesbian Iman in Berlin who opened a 'friendly' mosque. She now has a fatwa on her head even after already being targeted for assassination previously and only barely surviving. She travels under constant armed security in Germany. Think about that for just a moment and tell me I or others should not be concerned.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 07:00 AM

32. Doesn't mean they are lying.

However it does raise a bit of suspicion due to the fact they can lie and they won't be punished for it. I guess bearing false witness in the torah kinda contradicts what muhammad said

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 07:41 AM

33. No, it doesn't mean they are

and it doesn't mean they are telling the truth either.

Exactly, there is no punishment, rather once more, there is reward by Allah for this type of behavior.

Muhammad doesn't care about the Torah at all. He was the final prophet after all, far superior to either Moses or Jesus.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:36 AM

15. ****** FAKE NEWS ALERT FROM THE DELUSIONAL IN THE 57 STATES*****

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:44 AM

17. already called it.

Way ahead of you.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:38 PM

26. Define accepting.

Do they mean allowing gay people to marry and force others to bake them a cake, or do they just mean treating gay people with respect and not firing them for being gay? Huge difference.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 06:36 AM

28. it doesn't say

I never saw the whole survey..
Just what it said in the article.

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Response to SlayerNut (Original post)

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:46 PM

27. From a Muslim event.....

Now, keep in mind these are probably your most devout Muslims. There is a chance they don't represent most Muslims. However, they're saying they're moderate.

https://archive.org/details/youtube-wlq5YTKmjR8

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 06:36 AM

29. Can't watch it

Right now..
Use up my phone data..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 06:54 AM

30. Basically.....

the speaker gets a room full of Muslims to raise their hands about considering themselves to be moderate Sunnis. He also gets them to raise their hands about believing that death is the best punishment for homosexuality.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 5, 2017, 07:34 AM

35. if they are going by their stupid book

Then yes they have to agree with that.
It could also be a group effect. A few people raise their hand and not wanting to be different everyone raises their hand.

It could also be that they truly believe homosexuals should be put to death. That's not unique to Islam.
Several christian preachers say the same damn thing, according to certain verses in the torah, homosexuals should he out to death.
It all depends on how seriously you believe the fairy tales.
Would they (U.S. christians/muslims) actually kill homosexuals? Probably not, one would hope anyway. I'd lean towards muslims doing it before christians, but U.S. christians have done it in the past.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 5, 2017, 03:30 AM

34. Thank You For Posting That Link.

From the article:

If such views were espoused by extreme right-wingers, liberals would be up in arms, but because Muslims rank far higher in the ‘oppression Olympics’ table, so-called “progressives” are frightened to criticize Islam for fear of being labeled politically incorrect or racist (despite the fact that Islam is not a race).

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Leftists would rather justify and act as apologists for a religion that openly encourages the slaughter of homosexuals than stand up and defend the lives of gay people.

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Response to Bubba (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 5, 2017, 07:37 AM

36. I have no love for Islam.

I suppose I'm more left than right on most issues. I have no love for any religious institution/denomination.
Personal worshipping of Gods or going to church is fine, why would I give a shit what people do. Don't try to rule based on what your beliefs are and I'll leave you alone.

A lot of people are terrified of sharia law.. with good reason, but they don't realize christian law is just as bad because once a religious group gets power, they start to fuck with others and force them into it with laws and teaching it to kids and all that other shitty stuff that is supposed to be private and personal.

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