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Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:12 AM

Buddhists famously believe in reincarnation

As did the ancient Egyptian religion that evolved into Judaism and christianity.

The early christians seem to have believed in reincarnation, but the Gnostics were purged at nice and "life after death" is now restricted to the spiritual plane.

Nevertheless, there are a few famous cases of reincarnation on record. Much of what we know of ancient Egypt was told by dorathy eady, who claimed to have been a temple virgin in the 19th dynasty.

Short of total delusion and new age fraud, is there any possible explanation for this transliteration of souls?

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Reply Buddhists famously believe in reincarnation (Original post)
rampartb Nov 10 OP
Frankenvoter Nov 10 #1
rampartb Nov 10 #2
Frankenvoter Nov 11 #30
His Daughter Nov 10 #3
rampartb Nov 10 #4
His Daughter Nov 10 #5
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #6
His Daughter Nov 10 #7
freedumb2003 Nov 10 #8
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #10
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Cold Warrior Nov 10 #12
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Cold Warrior Nov 10 #14
freedumb2003 Nov 10 #15
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Cold Warrior Nov 10 #21
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nolidad Nov 21 #32
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Currentsitguy Nov 17 #31

Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:52 AM

1. I see reincarnation as hell (Rod Serling voice) "Picture if you will".....

We as humans are on the top level of hell, we can look around and comprehend our situation unlike the animals supposedly, and have a choice to make, who do we want to serve in the afterlife? There is only one of two choices and serve one you will but whom shall it be?

Pick wrong and you get rotated through hell, starting as the smallest bacteria, living and dying and then maybe moving up to a virus and then an insect and then a reptile on and up the food chain, most of the time being eaten alive because when have you ever seen a nature show where hyenas eat an already dead water buffalo? Never happens, they like to start at the asshole just to inflict extra torture, I saw one with it's eyes rolling in the back of it's head and I don't watch that stuff no more, it's nothing but snuff films for people without access to the real ones.

Never saw a fly that didn't yell "help me!!" either as it landed in a web about to be eaten, or a fish say something like "damn that felt nice" as a bear rips it's flesh from it after having plucked it from the river.

On and up, on and up, until you're lucky enough to be a human again and don't think it wasn't your choice to be here either, because just like the salmon that fights it's way upstream, YOU won the race that night your dad "made his deposit" with mom, you fought your way upstream in order to be first in line for your date with God, you knew that going in though, because you wanted out of hell.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:02 AM

2. We consist of chemicals that are eaten, and become

The various plants and animals that subsist on our remains.

Far from becoming a maggot, we become a multitude of maggots and fungi, each with its own fate and further disposition. Some becoming salmon, some venue fly traps, some garden spiders etc.

Some believe in "souls" do you?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 08:55 AM

30. Absolutely, I believe we as matter are condensed energy

If E=MC2 then the reverse has to be true also. We are energy beings trapped in the third dimension, when we are freed of our containers we travel onward and upward into the higher dimensions unless we get trapped in hell, and have to start all over.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:28 AM

3. Part of that leads to the NPC memes

None of those religions account for "new souls" being created somehow. Without them, as the population grows so does the number of NPCs

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:39 AM

4. Interesting observation

Except ai, sock puppets, and bots, several of which post here, there are no "npc."

The scientologists so?be the "insufficient number of souls" dilemma by stuffing billions of alien souls in a volcano. That, of course, makes as much sense as any of tbis.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:40 AM

5. Scientology was invented by a low grade SciFi writer.

Most of the other religions have some history and depth.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:24 PM

6. Mormonism was created by a second rate con man

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 01:23 PM

7. Who loved plagiarism

That said, it is clearly of the Abrahamic family vice Scientology

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:16 PM

8. I see even a blind pig can find a truffle sometimes

You got that one.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:43 PM

10. Don't worry. Christianity was built by a group of Greek speaking used car salesmen

who saw the opportunity to capitalise upon a Jewish desert-based “return” myth and sell it to the civilised world as long as they allowed shrimp cocktails and dropped the requirement to snip off the end of their dicks.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:45 PM

11. sure, why not?

Good to see you are back to your fact-free posting pattern.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:29 PM

12. In your NT zeal and desperate attempt to avoid all of the genocidical OT ravings of Yahweh

Created in their own image by primitive goat herders, you seem to ignore Matthew 5:17

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

Your sweet Jesus affirmed he was simply the extension of the Yahweh of the Old Testament. Just polished up for the civilised world.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:45 PM

13. Jesus came in fulfillment of Prophesy

You REALLY don't want to get into an argument about the Bible with me.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:53 PM

14. You use that phraseology a lot - you really dont want to get into an argument about xxx with me

You really do have an overblown vision of your own abilities, don’t you? You must be one of dem mental giants the Cave and Freeperville are known for producing. Maybe you’ve got an IQ of 162 like our Creationist friend?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:57 PM

15. I know a lot about a lot of things

So do you want to do this?

I can do it in Aramaic if you wish (your post about Greek speaking people was the first of many wrong things you have posted).

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:01 PM

16. The Gospel texts are in koine Greek, not Aramaic

So let’s chat about the BIBLE. But let’s not limit ourselves to the NT.

You can express your argument in Aramaic? I’m impressed. Please feel free to do so and I will try to keep up.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:15 PM

18. They were penned in Aramaic and later translated to Greek

Greek was the lingua franca of the era -- if it was to be distributed widely it HAD to be translated to Greek.

That is part of the issue with Genesis. The Aramaic word for "day" is "yom" (which it shares with Hebrew). The problem is that in Aramaic the term really more closely translates to "defined time period" whereas in Hebrew it is straight up "day." The translation to Greek of course took the latter into ημέρα which was literal.

There wasn't much of a chance to get back to the original penned version and thus resulted in "God made the world in 7 days."

Likewise we use "In the beginning there was the Word." But the double translation took what ends up being both "Word" and "God" (Alaha) to be just "Word."

Aramaic can be tricky, like Chinese. It gives me a headache sometimes especially when you consider it changed over the centuries.

Is there a particular topic you would like to discuss? Your statement, although facile, really doesn't say much. It is a general slam on Christianity but then you use Scripture to somehow make a point?

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:27 PM

21. Wow! I never thought of that!!

The interpretation of “day” might not be equivalent to 24 (or so) hours. Truly an enlightening revelation. I bow to your expertise. That’s certainly something I’ve never heard before.



Next you’re going to tell me that the parable of Jonah might be about separation from Yahweh. Or better yet that the phrase “Nazarene” might not be a locative. Gosh, you be just like one of them double-naughts.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:39 PM

22. You suffer from the same issue as nobrains: The Bible (OT) is NOT a science guide

Nor a historic text.

It occupies the space of theology, using historic events to make specific points.

It is God speaking to His Children in terms and concepts those Children can understand.

You might enjoy researching Yom (also the fact it is the same in multiple languages) -- the debate is considerable.

I am not understanding your point about "Nazarene." There is a good amount of historical support for Jesus but when I think back to my readings I don't recall that term used as you specify it.

The parable of Jonah deals with a 1:1 relationship with God. Most "gods" and similar concepts suggested a distant and impersonal deity or set of deities. Jonah made it crystal clear: God knows each of us and life is a test of our relationship with Him.

The "footprints of God" are short in the early part of the OT, then become longer as we go further and the relationship foundation is established. But God is hands-on (we all remember the she-bears) until the NT. He appears last in the NT as a figure in Jesus' supplication in the Garden of Gethsemane.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:55 PM

25. Your very intellectual allegorical reading of the Bible is laughable

Not because of its interpretation, but because you seem to think that it is an interpretation that only scholars (like you of course — do you run an Enterprise Car Rental with your Business Administration degree btw) are privy to. Nothing you’ve said is particularly unfamiliar to the average cafeteria Christians.

But since you’ve offered. Let’s discuss the documentary hypothesis for the composition of the Torah.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:03 PM

26. So you are talking about the bifurcation of the Bible to the Torah?

Not sure what you mean by the rent a car thing.

I assume it is an insult. But you IT n00bs think you are funnier than you really are.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:17 PM

28. You don't even know what the documentary hypothesis is, do you?



This is really, really sort of basic — the JEPD authors. Ring any bells, oh esteemed Biblical scholar? Hell, even Nolidad knows this (although he doesn’t believe in it).

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:32 PM

29. So you dont know anything about

1. The documentary hypothesis that the Torah was the product of four key sources — J E P D
2. Luke’s misinterpretation of Nazarene as a place and his creation of the whole census myth

One more chance. If you can’t make intelligent comment, you don’t know shit other than what they teach you in Sunday School

3. Was Luke working directly from Mark or was another source — the Q source — included in his gospel. Justify your answer.

If you can’t answer this one in fairly short order, I intend to raise this to an OP to publicise your vast expertise in Biblical history. You are free to respond in Aramaic.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:12 PM

27. Are you as the sooper dooper Bible scholar actually telling me that you are unaware

of the fictional “Empire wide” census posited by the Luke authors in order to justify their misreading of the word “Nazarene” as a place name rather than the name of a sect? Really? That’s sort of basic. You don’t seem to know much about the Bible.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:05 PM

17. We can start about the relationship between the OT and the NT and why both matter

I don't know of whom you speak but I guess it is that nobrains guy.

He doesn't even know scripture that well -- he copies and pastes but doesn't understand what the verses are trying to say.

Of course he does the same with science. He copies and pastes from creationist sites but doesn't understand why they are fundamentally wring.

I am more than happy to explain Christianity and Judaism and how they all tie together. I hope you don't me leaning on some authors who have summarized -- "Mere Christianity" is interesting but does have a logic flaw.

I took a series of Master's classes in theology and my college roommate was a masters' divinity student and we had some great discussions late into the night.

I can absolutely back up what I claim.

Your "copy and paste what I have been told are winners" helps you no more than nobrains.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:17 PM

19. Wait! Wait! Wait! I thought you were going to make your argument in Aramaic?

Given your fluency I would expect no less.

You have done a series of “Master’s classes.” By that, I take it you do NOT have a Masters in the subject area. Sad. What happened? Did mommy have a vacant basement?

I’m glad you had late night fun with your Masters roommate, however. Freeing yourself from conventional mores is always good.

So, show me your expertise (in Aramaic please). Maybe you should consult out RC colleague who learned four ancient languages at his papy’s knee.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:22 PM

20. I READ Aramaic -- I mentioned it because you have to go to the source text

Do you have a topic to discuss?

My degree is in Business Administration -- I have been an IT professional for over 40 years. I tiook Master's level courses to fulfill a degree requirement. But I found it interesting and I kept up on the subject.

So what do you want to talk about? You really want me to post in Aramaic?


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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:45 PM

23. Nooo, you mentioned it because you want to inflate your own argument from authority

I am a data expert with with 25 years experience and Masters both in English Literature and CS, if you’d like to play the degree game. I work in understanding human behaviour from the data they leave behind, like Wordsworth’s “trailing clouds of glory.”

I have studied virtually every religion by reading the primary texts — the Bible, the Quran, the Upanishads, the Analects. Ain’t I grand?

But you do have a degree in Business Administration. Wow!

And before you start whining about degrees, remember who started it.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:50 PM

24. Just saying my degree is NOT divinity -- now do you want to discuss theology or not?

Or will you keep being picayune?

I see you are n00b in IT. I will be kind if that subject comes up.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 12:19 PM

32. I was on vacation when you wrote this!

As you reject divine creation for man made evolutionary hypotheses- I would love to match biblical wits with you!

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:19 PM

9. Lore has it that L Ron Hubbard bet he could create the craziest religion imaginable

and it would sell.

He did and it did. I don't know if he collected on the bet.

Of his writings, "Battlefield Earth" was 5th rate science fiction. It was supposed to be funny but it didn't quite get there.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 01:41 PM

31. I've read it

It's a fun ride, nothing more.

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