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Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:04 PM

...You REALLY don't want to get into an argument about the Bible with me...

I just encountered a Biblical scholar who reads Aramaic, has a degree in Business Adminstation, and had a fruitful relationship with his divinity school roomate (the one who actually got a Masters). This poster informed me that I really did not want to get into an argument with his Big Brain as he knew much more than I.

With great hesitatation. I asked him his thoughts on:

1. The documentary hypothesis of the Torah. That is the idea (and its variants) that the Torah is comprised of the work of four groups of authors - JEPD. I was shocked, shocked do you hear that our Biblical scholar had never heard of such a basic hypothesis.

2. The concept that Luke’s clear confusion about the term “Nazarene” led him to contrive the whole empire-wide census thingie. He didn’t know shit

3. And his clear ignorance of the Q source in formulating the gospel of Luke and possibly Matthew

I’m afraid our Biblical scholar’s vast knowledge of Christianity is confined to...

https://m.

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Reply ...You REALLY don't want to get into an argument about the Bible with me... (Original post)
Cold Warrior Nov 10 OP
YeahRight Nov 10 #1
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #3
YeahRight Nov 10 #6
nolidad Nov 21 #20
Nostrings Nov 10 #2
YeahRight Nov 10 #4
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #5
YeahRight Nov 10 #8
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #11
Nostrings Nov 10 #10
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #13
Nostrings Nov 10 #14
akaConcernedCanuk Nov 10 #15
Nostrings Nov 10 #16
Magyar Heidinn Nov 10 #7
Cold Warrior Nov 10 #9
YeahRight Nov 10 #12
Magyar Heidinn Nov 10 #17
nolidad Nov 21 #21
Magyar Heidinn Nov 21 #22
nolidad Nov 21 #23
Magyar Heidinn Nov 21 #24
SatansSon666 Nov 21 #25
Magyar Heidinn Nov 21 #26
SatansSon666 Nov 21 #27
Magyar Heidinn Nov 21 #28
Cold Warrior Nov 22 #29
nolidad Nov 22 #30
Cold Warrior Nov 11 #18
Cold Warrior Nov 20 #19

Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:18 PM

1. Huh, i thought you were

the only one who wanted to argue the bible

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Response to YeahRight (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:26 PM

3. Im not worthy of arguing the Bible with a poster who

1. Has never heard of the documentary hypothesis
2. Is unaware of the Nazarene/census controversy
3. Doesn’t have a clue about the sources of Luke and Matthew

How can I compete with such a big brain who holds a degree in Business Administration AND has a relationship with, however controversial, a Masters in Divinity.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:31 PM

6. Im sure you can't, but really,

who CARES?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 08:32 AM

20. We3ll as you are referring to a different person, I can't answer for them.But the answers are:

The JEDP hypothesis (that is all it is, just an idea) based on the, differing names of God and then the priesthood. Well to make a long theology answer short, god revealed HImself in differing ways over time.

What controversy over the census?

Tacitus and Flavius Josephus both write of quirinius and his multiple taxings!! Jews would by Jewish law have to go to the town of their family so that is why Joseph had to go to Bethlehem!

Matthew was an eyewitness account along with materials from other eyewitnesses.

Luke gathered material from many people. As he travelled mostly in Gentile lands and dealt mostly with Gentile believers he would not have had contact with that mysterious stealth document known as Quelle.

As to teh dates of writing, it has only been since the advent of the higher schools of criticism that the dates have been pushed back to as far as the 2nd century. But there is no sound historical reason to hold to the dates beyond the life of the named authors.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:21 PM

2. I don't want to get in an argument about the bible with anyone.



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Response to Nostrings (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:27 PM

4. thats what i mean

hes looking for an argument that just aint there, per usual

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:30 PM

5. I was not particularly interested either, but Big Brain

told me that I certainly didn’t want to match wits with him about the Bible. Imagine my surprise to find out he had no knowledge even about the basics.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:36 PM

8. OH no, you're interested, BUT

AIN'T nobody else is. You just LOVE pushing your atheism around, but guess what? NOBODY CARES!

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Response to YeahRight (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:40 PM

11. Again not my thread title

But one posted by a devout Yahweh ass kisser.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:39 PM

10. *shrug*

If you want to arm wrestle, play 8 or 9 ball or snooker, PVP in an EQ arena, play Mortal Kombat, debate the best heads for the first gen small block chevy, or discuss geometrical dimensioning and tolerancing...


I'm your huckleberry.



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Response to Nostrings (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:44 PM

13. Yep, your narrative has been discredited so

*shrug*

How about “whatever” ?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:46 PM

14. *My* narrative?

You seem confused.

Are you under the impression that *I* practice religion?

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:11 PM

15. I'm with ya there -

I used to build engines - one being a 283 I mildly "hopped up", used to be fair to middlin' at 8-ball (usually staggered home with my shirt still on) and I don't waste my time tryna debate with those that wanna "save" me



CC

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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:21 PM

16. Some of those 283s had enough wall to bore to 4 inches.

If you wanted to build something that would really rev lol.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:32 PM

7. Seriously, it seems that you have an immense passion for something that

does no exist, why?

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:37 PM

9. The thread title does not come from me but

from the Big Brain Christian who knows much more than the rest of us.

https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1023&pid=28367

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:41 PM

12. It's not about she/he/its beliefs,

it's about everyone else's. Quite a bore by now, ain't it?

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Response to YeahRight (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:35 PM

17. As you can see I did not get much of an answer.

I’m an atheist, yet, I do not understand the fascination with constantly challenging and arguing with those that beleive over something that does not exist. Live and let live.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 12:24 PM

21. WEll, you believe He does not exist.....

WE know Him so we completely disagree!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 12:29 PM

22. No, I dont beleive he does not exist. I know.

You know him, introduce us.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 03:45 PM

23. You know???

That is the height of arrogance and presumption! You have not even left this planet and you can make such an assertive declaration?

If you want to meet HIm- humble yourself, acknowledge HIm as Lord and you will get to know HIm.

If you are really convinced He does not exist- the bible has two things to sayabout folks like you:


Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Romans 1:

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened

I hope that is not the case with you. God has put the knowledge of HIm in every heart!

Acts 17:27

King James Bible
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us

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Response to nolidad (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 04:04 PM

24. All you done is quote from a book.

You and the book are saying that I am corrupt, have done abominable works, am no good with a dark heart. Correct?

In short, I am not good enough for your god.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 05:09 PM

25. He projects so much it's fucking hilarious.

Says you are the arrogant king of presumptions for saying you know.
Right after he says he knows.
Hahaha

He says he has a personal relationship with Jesus.

He has said god told him to post things here.

He says god speaks to him directly sometimes.

It's funny as shit.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 06:37 PM

26. He knows the guy, yet, know introduction.

Just quotes from a book that has been worked over for years.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 10:05 PM

27. Apparently he has to reveal himself to us.

So I figure I'm on the right track.
He hasn't had to step in, reveal himself and show me the error of my ways.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 21, 2018, 10:08 PM

28. Faith, I am told.

Faith is nothing more than believing in ones own stupidity.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 22, 2018, 05:22 AM

29. A bit like Jimmy Stewart

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 22, 2018, 08:06 AM

30. None of us are good enough for the One True Living God!

That is why He sent His Son, became a man and took our punishment for us!

By receiving Him and trusting in His death and REsurrection, God the Father makes us good enough for Himself!

JOhn 3:16 is still as powerful today as when it was first uttered to Nicodemus!

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:44 PM

18. Hello, hello

You must have had the opportunity to google your homework by now. Come on, let me grade your answers, sooper dooper Biblical scholar with whom I REALLY don’t want to debate the Bible.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2018, 05:49 AM

19. Well, I guess ONE of us REALLY didn't want to get into an argument about the Bible

I notice our Biblical colleague has returned and yet, given all this time to learn the topics in the OP, still has nothing to say about them. Pretty sad for such an aggressive Biblical with whom I REALLY didn’t want to get into an argument about the Bible.

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