Beliefswar

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:44 AM

The war on Xmas.

Why can't some Christian discussionists just enjoy their holiday season without scouring the Internet for weird stories to get outraged about?
They can't even be happy during their favorite season. Have to find something to get mad at so they can claim to be victimized.
Notice I said SOME. You know who they are.
I know Xmas can be stressful for some, not me because I couldn't care less, but finding reasons to get mad certainly isn't the "reason for the season".

I don't believe in any of that nonsense, but my staff does. I don't decorate at home anymore since the kids are on their own.
Every year I give them (my staff) a couple hundred bucks to go buy decorations to decorate my business. They always buy nice stuff because they can keep it afterwards and just buy new ones next year. No use storing them.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:52 AM

1. Why cant liberals allow others to enjoy Christmas?

It is an issue because some liberals assume their feelings are rights.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:54 AM

2. I know plenty of liberals.

They enjoy Christmas as much as anyone else.
My mom had her tree up 2 weeks ago.
My dad is more like me. Not liberal not really conservative either. He doesn't care what people do.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:58 PM

24. Not liberal

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Response to oflguy (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 02:19 PM

62. yeah.

Not giving a fuck about your little peeves and making fun of them doesn't make me a liberal.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 02:31 PM

63. Now that you've labeled me.

Let's see where I fall.

Guns? Yes.
Open-Carry? Yes.
Constitution? Yes.
Vegetarian? No.
Vegan? No.
Protests shit? No.
Atheist? Yes.
Voted for Trump? Yes.
Smokes weed? Yes.
Drinks alcohol? Yes.
Supports human rights? Yes.
Roe v Wade? Yes.
Intelligent Design in science class? No.
Global Warming? Yes.
Climate Change? Yes.






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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 03:38 PM

64. That's liberal buddy

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Response to oflguy (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 03:54 PM

65. Ok cool.

Can't wait to tell my friends.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #65)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:50 PM

68. I know you people don't like labels

but you are what you are

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Response to oflguy (Reply #68)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:23 AM

69. I don't think anyone likes to be labeled.

I have a few labels for you too, but I have a little decency left.
This place hasn't sucked it all out of me yet.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #69)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:50 PM

78. I don't mind if someone calls me a conservative, it's what I am

Liberals take offense to being called what they are though

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Response to oflguy (Reply #78)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 06:15 AM

79. I vote depending on how I feel about candidates.

If you want to call me a liberal go ahead.
I don't take it as an insult.
All you know about me is I disagree with a lot of your pet peeves and whines.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:55 PM

16. This is pretty funny...

All those "Christians" out there insisting that people should say "Merry Christmas" because, after all, "Jesus is the reason for the season" and how we have to keep Christ in "CHRISTmas, blah blah blah...


Which, OK, would be believable if we weren't being bombarded on Black Friday every year with videos of people acting like starving animals when the stores open for those juicy deals on crap.



Christians! Christ! Baby Jesus!


Oh, I'm sorry....the people in these videos must be Atheists, since all the religious "it's all about Christ" people are in church praying.



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Response to Squeek (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:44 PM

25. All those "Christians" out there insisting that people should say "Merry Christmas"

Name one

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Response to oflguy (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:31 PM

66. Are you on

Facebook?

Because that shit is all over the place there.

Also, a couple here who insist their lives have been ruined because those Evil Liberals have changed the names of a few Christmas themed events or items.


And no, I'm not going to "name" anyone

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Response to Squeek (Reply #66)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:44 PM

67. Never have used Facebook and never will

I don't know a single Christian that insists that you or anybody else says Merry Christmas.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:57 AM

3. The decorations and such have nothing to do with Christ

They derive from various pagan festival traditions and the modern worship of Mammon.

But you knew that already, having had a role in their origination.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:05 AM

9. No, they don't.

Everything about Chirstmas was borrowed from other religions/traditions.
Except Jesus, but he wouldn't have been born in December anyway. Just a way to integrate pagans and others into their religion by usurping their solstice celebrations.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:46 PM

26. There is a way to get back at Christians

Just don't celebrate Christmas

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Response to oflguy (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:52 PM

74. I don't.

That's not getting back at anyone. Six billion other people in the world don;t celebrate Xmas either.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:01 AM

4. PRO TIP: why dont you find another topic to harp on

People of religion of any kind are still going to practice their faith, regardless of your “justice league” defense against it.

SMH

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:41 AM

5. PRO TIP: SS666, as he noted, was not the first poster bringing this up this year

There were at least two threads yesterday bemoaning those evil atheists who are ensuring the constitution is enforced.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:41 AM

12. So what

Who are they injuring other than those here that take the bait?

Live and let live. Yet another PRO TIP.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:02 PM

14. So what?

Who is SS666 injuring other than those here that take the bait?

Live and let live. Yet another PRO TIP.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:36 PM

15. At least you are teachable

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

8. I'll do what I want.

If I want to laugh at the poutrage of some christians here pretending they are victims because of a statue or what Facebook does, that's what I'll do.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:43 AM

13. Well then

You go, girl!

Wasting time as it is not gonna stop. But you Crusade on!

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:02 PM

19. There is nothing to stop.

The war on Xmas doesn't exist.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:45 AM

6. A Christmas Classic

“I tricked Starbucks”

https://m.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:02 AM

7. Lol. Yeah that guy is a fucking loon.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:33 AM

10. Lets let the POTUS weigh in on this insidious trend



Another failed campaign promise? We, including Starbucks, are still saying “Happy Holidays” and Starbucks is still in the Trump Tower (must be a long term lease). You can pop by today as they’re open until 8:00 tonight.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:40 AM

11. All he does lie and pander.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 10:41 AM

21. But, when Trump is POTUS, we will ALL be saying Merry Christmas

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:02 PM

17. Did you know that

tRump single-handedly SAVED Christmas from the Atheist onslaught?

It's true. He said so!


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"In the last hours of Christmas Eve, Donald Trump took to Twitter to repeat his claim he was responsible for the return of people wishing each other a Merry Christmas.

The US President has long railed against the phrase “happy holidays”, which he deems excessively politically correct, while seeking to perpetuate the idea US citizens have been barred from using the more traditional festive greeting.

But the leader’s insistence he had “led the charge against the assault of our cherished and beautiful phrase” prompted many to recount countless examples of his predecessor, Barack Obama, wishing Americans a Merry Christmas during his presidency."

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-merry-christmas-assault-twitter-barack-obama-a8127921.html




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Response to Squeek (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:21 PM

18. OMY, that is funny



The sad part is that so many people will actually believe that Trump has made it “safe” to say “Merry Christmas” again, protecting them against those attacking hoards of roving atheists

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 05:13 AM

20. I Don't Scour The Internet.

Last edited Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:23 AM - Edit history (1)

And, unlike liberals, I don't particularly want to be a victim.

It really does seem to me, however, that liberals ARE attempting to transform Christmas into a secular holiday.

One example: The radio station I listen to while I'm working out (97.1 here in Portland) currently plays nothing but Christmas music. Yeah, Christmas music 24/7.

Problem is, they REFUSE to play any religious music at all. Not even one song. We hear "Frosty The Coke Dealer," "It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas," "Rudolf, The Red, Knows Rain, Dear," and "Jingle Bell Rack." We never hear "Silent Night," "Little Drummer Boy," or "O Come All Ye Faithful."

There are other examples. Point is, liberals are making a definitive attempt to make shopping and decorations and food the reason for the season. And when they succeed, the next step will be to erase any mention of Jesus at all.

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Response to Bubba (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:45 AM

22. The sun is the reason for the season.

Christians took it over and made it into their own holiday by incorporating Jesus.
Easter is the same thing.

Even "amen" was stolen from the Egyptians.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:55 PM

23. Why can't some anti-Christian people just enjoy the holiday season

without getting outraged about Christmas or Easter?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:16 AM

30. Why can't Christians stop accusing

Non-religious people of trying to ruin their holidays?
It happens every year. Some Christians can't even enjoy their holiday without playing the victim of some bullshit that doesn't exist.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:18 AM

32. Gee, I dunno

Perhaps when anti-Christians stop trying to ruin the holidays for everybody else???

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Response to oflguy (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:22 AM

33. How are they doing that?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:24 AM

35. You get the award of the month for that brilliant question

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Response to oflguy (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:28 AM

36. Cool. Should be easy to answer then.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 04:44 PM

27. Christians?

This crap was all started by idiots pretending to be offended by Christmas decorations, Christmas plays, and hearing Merry Christmas. But people telling those idiots to F-off are the problem?

The war on Christmas is very real, and blaming it on Christians is almost as dumb as blaming parents for not wanting their little girl to shower with some fruitcake pretending to be a woman.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:20 PM

28. Christian symbols, Islamic symbols, Hindu symbols, Satanic symbols ALL

have no place on government property or in government sponsored activities. There are plenty of venues — churches (mosques, temples, etc), private property, etc — to honour primitive superstitions. The West, at least, is moving away from such tripe which explains, in part, the scientific achievements realised in the West.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:23 AM

34. You are a very unhappy person and I feel sorry for you

I am not a religious person, but I don't run around like you people trying to make people miserable.

Why not relax and just enjoy the fact that everybody else is enjoying themselves? Why do you want to fuck up everybody else's happiness?

Oops, I forgot. You are a liberal.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:31 AM

37. You really wanna go there, huh?

Would you like to turn this discussion into what the government should and should not spend money on, like abortions?

Go

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Response to oflguy (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:50 AM

40. Say what? What a complete and ludicrous non-sequitur!

Who is talking about spending government money? The principle has nothing to do with spending money.

Go.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:57 AM

42. And government funding for abortions

has no place in government.

On the border, illegal immigrants got to dine off plates with Obama's face on them while being detained for processing. This was a reminder, I'm sure, of the promises they saw in Mexico, by Obama to give them welfare when they illegally crossed the border.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:09 AM

44. And there are Commies 90 miles off our shores!!!

None of these things have anything at all to do with the topic at hand, the “War” on Christmas. They are simply a laundry list of RW grievances.

Go.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:58 AM

38. An example of the extreme that has brought this war upon us

Government cannot dictate the use or non-use of religious symbols. Individuals however, are supposed to be free to exercise their freedom of religion where they see fit.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:47 AM

39. No one objects to any individual practicing their voodoo on private prooerty

However, not on government/public property. Further, if an individual wants to drop down on the pavement and pray to Yahweh or Allah, within the bounds of public safety they are welcome to do that anywhere. Just not at government urging/direction. Nothing extreme about that. Just common sense to keep the government out of the “religion business.” You remember, limited government and all that.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:18 AM

45. What about the housing business, or the solar business, or the lending business?

Is it common sense to keep the government out of those businesses also?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:22 AM

46. Again, a non-sequitur

Does the First Amendment prohibit the government from promoting the housing business, etc? I know that your only intent is to deflect away from the OP topic, but you’re not being terribly subtle about it.

Go.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:32 AM

48. Silly, you just posted about keeping the government out of business.

Do try to follow your own topic

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Response to oflguy (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:03 PM

55. Nope. The topic is the War on Xmas. Please refer to the OP

The argument is that the First Amendment prohibits by constitutional law the sponsorship of religious festivities and/or festivities by the government or its agents, a principle consistently upheld by the SCOTUS for 55 years. The thread has nothing to do with your imagined grievances regarding abortion, immigration, or solar energy. You are welcome to start a thread about any of those topics, but your attempts to use them to deflect away from the OP are transparent.

Go.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:25 PM

58. Same thing, don't try to deny it

Like I just said, you people are just not happy unless you are pissing in everybody else's Cheerios.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:41 PM

59. Really? Not even close to the same thing. Separation of church and state is guaranteed in the FIRST

Amendment (you know, the one that comes before the Second). The remainder of the items listed is just a laundry list of RW moans.

Go.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:35 AM

49. Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

That does not mean Congress gets to determine where and when individuals are permitted the free exercise of religion. When we allowed government the power to do that, extremists started abusing that power to force their freedom from religion nonsense onto the population as a whole.
That is not keeping the government out of the “religion business.” That is not limited government.

What one 'objects' to, has no bearing on the argument. Feelings do not trump individual rights.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

50. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

That’s pretty clear from this that the government cannot favour one religion over another. The SCOTUS has consistently ruled supporting this principle for the last 55 years. Given that Christmas has only been a national holiday for the last 148 years, that’s a significant time period.

There is no infringement on individual rights. An individual is welcome to walk down the street praying to whatever imaginary being he or she sees fit to pray to. Students can pray on their own in schools. However, the pschool, as an agent of the state, cannot facilitate that. Note that this is not applicable to private schools in which prayer sessions can be facilitated by the administration.

On a side note, in addition to providing a secular public space, these rulings have enabled the teaching of real science in the classrooms, as opposed to the “Great Sky Daddy Popped Everything into Existence “ theory.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:59 PM

54. Congress prohibiting the individuals free exercise of religion

is not how it avoids law respecting an establishment of religion. Especially in a country founded on the principles of limited government and individual rights.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #54)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:16 PM

56. No one is surpressing the INDIVIDUAL free exercise of religion

What is prohibited is government sponsorship of a particular religion. “Sponsorship” includes allowing the promotion of any religion in the public square. As an individual you are welcome to practice your own superstitions on private property, including your home and your church, mosque, temple, or synagogue. Further, as an individual, one is free to privately practice one’s own brand of reality denial in the public space as long as one does not infringe upon the beliefs of others.

But you know all of this. The so-called War on Christmas is simply another RW grievance, in a long line of imagined grievances (see other posts in this thread), with which to excite the fringe base.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

71. And THAT is the extreme I was referring to earlier

Congress has made no law dictating nativity scenes, crosses, plays etc... in the public square. They were done on behalf of individuals exercising their freedom of religion. They were not a mandate to promote any religion from the state, nor did merely seeing them infringe upon the beliefs of others in any way.

When this relatively recent war on religion began and activist judges first started ruling against the Constitution and in favor of leftist interpretation and policy, most people let it slide. No nativity scene or lights on the courthouse lawn? Meh.
Only when you people went to the extreme and started attacking the individual did it become 'a war.'

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #71)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:27 PM

72. An individual does not have the right to construct ANYTHING in the public square

whether it be temporary or permanent without a permit from the government. Therefore, the government (or its agent) decides on what can and cannot be placed there. Providing a permit for a nativity scene (or any other religion-specific artefact) clearly is an example of the government promoting one religion over the other and therefore violates the Separation Clause. No individual rights are violated as the individual does not have the right to begin with.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #72)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:50 PM

73. yeah, "you people" are to blame.

I got called "you people" twice already today..
lmao

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #73)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:22 PM

76. Yeah, but no BIGOT so far

Does our “bigot” guy have us on Ignore?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #76)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:56 PM

77. He doesn't seem like the ignoring type.

Not gonna risk missing a chance to call us bigots.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #77)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:43 AM

82. Nope, not the ignoring type at all, just the working type

You guys resorting to silly stereotypes says it all though.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #82)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

85. He was referring to another person.

Pretty much any interaction with him includes calling us bigots for simple things like quoting bible verses he doesn't like.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #85)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:48 AM

87. Ok, thanks

The layout of the messages got me.
Appreciate it.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #87)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

88. Yeah I can see how that could happen.

No problem.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #76)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

81. Where the hell is this 'bigot' nonsense coming from?

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #81)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

84. Nothing to do with you

There is a poster who routinely jumps into religious threads to call both SS666 and myself “bigots.” It’s as regular as “the tides going in, the tides going out.” We were just missing him and wondering where he’s at.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #81)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:47 AM

86. See post 85.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #72)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

80. Permits weren't usually required to put them up

Most of the time, they were dug out of storage closets and put up at the beginning of the season by individuals simply wishing to celebrate the season. This had been done throughout our history because Congress could not prohibit the individuals freedom of religion.

Again though, most people didn't think ending that tradition was worth getting all bent out of shape over. You won that battle. But instead of taking it as a win, you people decided to take it as a mandate to attack what individuals wear, what they say, how they run their businesses etc...

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #80)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:58 AM

89. So what youre saying is that religion was granted a special exemption from the permit requirements

Did/should that apply to all religions? Could Hindus set up a Diwali festival without a permit? Could Wiccans set up whatever Wiccany festival they have? How about setting up a mini “Stone the Devil” exhibit in Paducah Town Square during the Hajj? Satanic monuments and celebrations?

No, of course not. When you say “the individuals freedom of religion,” what you really mean is Christianity. And that is the pure definition of the government promoting one religion over others.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 10:31 AM

90. No, I'm saying that before all this hurt feelings nonsense

individuals were not prohibited from exercising their religion. The desires of the state did not trump the rights of the individual, and because of that, permits weren't needed.

Permits are a form of control over individuals. Government used to use them primarily for the planning and safety of large population centers and revenue, but over the past 50 years or so they have been used to micromanage and condition individuals to believe and behave in a certain way.
This need for a 'special exemption' did not exist until leftists started using the federal government and activist judges to bypass local governments and force their beliefs onto people outside of those large population centers.

Yes, it did/should apply to all religions. But because there weren't Hindus, wiccans or satanist on every corner, it was never a big deal. A menorah was often seen though.

And don't put words into my mouth. I didn't mention any specific religion when I said “the individuals freedom of religion.”

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 14, 2018, 11:17 AM

91. LOCAL governments have always controlled, either implicitly or explicitly, what can be

erected in the public square. They have done it explicitly through permits or implicitly through law enforcement. I can guarantee you that if in 1940 one had attempted to built a monument, even temporary, to Satan in Paducah town square, whether or not permits were required, one would be prevented from doing so.

This not a restriction solely applied to religion and is not a bad thing. Governments have a duty to keep the public space free of individual artefacts or we would have no “public” space, only areas cluttered with whatever claptrap people wanted to display/dump there.

What you are really asking for is an exemption from a very sensible policy for religion. You say the multitudes of religions weren’t a problem in the past because “there weren’t Hindus, wiccans or satanist(s) on every corner.” Yet other religions did exist in the US and certainly would not have been allowed at the time to erect their religious symbols in the small town public space.

But we’re not in Mayberry anymore and other religions do exist even in small towns. Local governments now face the choice of allowing every religion to erect their offerings to their own versions of Harvey or none. Most choose the very sensible path of “none.”

And since you are not favouring any particular religion (nudge, nudge — wink, wink), can I assume you support the placement of a satanic monument outside of the Arkansas State House next to the existing, although frequently destroyed, Ten Commandments monument?

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:28 AM

29. Agreed. N/T

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:17 AM

31. It isn't real. It's all in your head.

Have you taken a look around recently?

Tell me there is a war on Xmas.

Lights everywhere, decorations, Xmas music playing everywhere.
War my ass.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:54 AM

41. You wouldn't be attacking Christians, yet again, IF it wasn't real

You wouldn't be complaining about faux outrage and 'weird stories' IF it all was just in people's heads.

As far as lights, decorations and music? That commercial aspect of Xmas isn't what has people all up in arms. It's the attacks on the individual, our culture and our traditions, that is pissing people off.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:02 AM

43. Nothing stops you from celebrating your culture

Or your traditions when every a street pole has a decoration on it. When stores are lit up and music playing. Santa Claus in the mall and parades through cities.

Are people going into your house and breaking your gifts, taking your tree and pissing on your nativity scene? No.

Are people standing outside your church protesting Xmas and tipping cars in the parking lot? No.

There is no war on Xmas.
It's all make believe, like the Jesus myth.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

51. Again, the commercial aspect isn't what's at the heart of the issue

Traditional Nativity scenes are searched out and targeted for lawsuits. Employees are banned from saying Merry Christmas in order to avoid ridiculous 'legal' actions. Judges throw out culture and tradition, and rule on personal beliefs. Individuals are now granted permission by government on where and when they may exercise their freedom of religion. Activists in positions of privilege and power are given national platforms to ridicule, condemn and attack our Christmas traditions.

Make believe? Hardly.

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:27 PM

53. Businesses don't want to lose customers.

That's all that is. Money talks.
They have Jewish and muslim customers..
Why not just say happy holidays to customers.
There is no organized effort or "war" against Christmas.
It's a fairy tale, like the Jesus myth.

Nobody is stopping you from saying merry Christmas to anyone.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:07 AM

70. The problem is that businesses not complying are being targeted and attacked

and every year there are more of these "weird stories" proving so.

There are organized activists and groups like the Freedom From Religion Foundation who are at war with the Christian religion. They actively seek out things that they themselves deem offensive for everybody else. It is an organized attempt 'to manage social change and regulate the future development and behavior of a society.'

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Response to kc_tim (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:54 PM

75. Like I said "Money talks"

Capitalism trumps religion.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:26 AM

47. Want an example?

For years during Christmas time, There used to be something called "Christmas in the Oaks" at City Park. It consisted of lights and decorations, all put together by the Friends of City Park. Since the War on Christmas they had to change the name to Celebration in the Oaks.

No, try to say that is not a War on Christmas.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:10 PM

52. They changed a name. So that means there is a war?

They must just want to be more inclusive.
A lot of cultures have celebrations for the winter solstice.
Calling it Christmas excludes them.

Was that a private or municipal decision?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #52)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:23 PM

57. Yeah, silly, it means there is a war

You people are just not happy unless you are pissing on everybody else's cheerios.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #57)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:42 PM

60. Uh, no it doesn't.

I don't piss in anyone's cheerios.
I don't even care if they put nativity scenes on public property, or Xmas trees or whatever they want to do.
I also don't care when they get removed for being unconstitutional.

Calling that a war is ridiculous.
All the examples people give are fucking lame.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #57)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:57 PM

61. Oooh, remember

the war on French fries in 2003?

Renamed to "Freedom Fries" by that idiot Bob Ney because France refused to get involved in Iraq. Oh, and "Freedom toast"


WAR ON FRANCE!!!!!!


OH NOES!!! Our lives were all ruined!!!!!!


Uh, no. They weren't.

Some people just aren't happy unless they can be victims. Why should it matter what someone else calls something??

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Response to Squeek (Reply #61)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 10:45 AM

83. Almost as silly as the 'war on women,' wasn't it

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