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Sun Dec 23, 2018, 09:08 AM

A Christian perspective of a Christmas tree.

For those who do not know, most of the symbols and merriment surrounding Christmas all had their roots in pagan origins. But I have regularly shared at church this small message about a Christianized tree. ( I am sure I read it somewhere once.)

1. Before the advent of tree lots- we had to go search to find that "perfect" tree. Just like those looking for perfection must seek Jesus.

2. To make it our own- we must cut it down- just as Jesus was cut down for our sake.

3. We must take it into our hopmes- Just as we must take Jesus into our lives.

4. We find a prominent place in our house so all can see- just as our lives should show Christ in them.

5. We place the tree in water to keep it nourished- Water representing the Word of God- we also must stay in the water to keep spiritually nourished.

6. We place bright lights in th e tree branches to highlight the tree- just as we are the light of the world and our lives should highlight Jesus.

7. We decorate the tree with ornaments as our lives should be decorated by deeds that glorify God

8. As the tree we pick is evergreen and does not lose its luster through th e seasons- So it is with Jesus, He is ever God and never loses His ability to save.

9. As the Christmas tree is arrow shaped pointing up-- so should our attention of spiritual matters be directed up to heaven and not just the earth.

10. We lay gifts under the tree to share with others, which reminds us of the greatest Gift ever given, when God the Father gave us God the Son.

11. Many trees are topped with a star- to remind us that through the ages-Wise men still seek Him!


These are the reasons why a Christmas tree is special in my home and to my family as we rejoice and make merry over the Christmas season!!!!

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 09:49 AM

1. Ya but

what about my fake Christmas tree?

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

2. The Bible oks the tree.

There's a verse in the old testament, I'm paraphrasing, saying that nailing and adorning a tree doesn't do any good, but doesn't do any evil either.

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Response to sobek (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:26 AM

14. I think this is the verse you are referring to.

.Jeremiah 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.


The Lords forbad Israel to follow this custom as to make an idol! If a Christian does the same- it is an idol as well. But if they use it to exalt the Lord it is fine.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:44 AM

15. So I was off a little on that one. Thanks for posting this.

What I'm getting from the word is that God is critical of this activity but says it's pretty harmless.

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Response to USNRET1988 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:21 AM

4. Thats what the early used ca...uhm...church fathers were all about

Shaping a mythology that was compatible with Roman and Greek civilisation so that they could sell their bill of goods to the powers that were and, thereby, attain power themselves. The whole Roman Sun God cult was incorporated.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 03:22 PM

7. And thus a major sect of Christendom was born

that ruled the European world through the dark ages.

What happened starting in the fourth century barely resembles biblical
Christianity.

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Response to USNRET1988 (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 03:40 PM

9. It is not stolen to us if our hearts are right.

1 Corinthians 10:31 King James Version (KJV)
31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

We are free to do or not do- but if we do- do it for His glory!

Birthdays, Mother and Fathers days, Valentines Day Thanksgiving all are not biblical mandates, but followers of Jesus can certainly celebrate if they choose and thank gopd for the reason for the events.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:52 AM

16. There is also a verse that I use to justify my dietary choices.

Something about defiling yourself by what comes out of the mouth, not what goes in. My wife is a Saturday Adventist and hates this verse because they are all about obeying their version of God's dietary laws.

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Response to sobek (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:39 AM

18. Here is the verse:

Matthew 15:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Jesus declared all foods clean by this!

Another passage

Acts 10:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


In matters like this--INDIVIDUALS based on their conscience are free to eat or not eat! But not to impose these personal restrictions on others with the implication you must please God this way!

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:21 AM

5. Flock that!



WJUL?

(Would Jesus Use LEDs?)

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Response to foia (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 03:23 PM

8. Why not???

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 11:29 AM

6. 23 years ago I bought a Giant Sequoia,

a 1 foot tall Charlie Brown Christmas tree and planted it over the grave of a beloved Airedale we had.

That tree is 50 ft. tall and the main feature when viewing Google Earth.

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2018, 04:00 PM

10. It is clear that Christians appropriated the traditional winter solstice celebrations

The tree, yule log, etc clearly come from Norse/Germanic roots

The term Yule comes from a Norse god

To paraphrase a parable, you build on the true rock or don't bother.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 08:18 AM

13. Well it is the heart that matters-- not the props!

If a follower of Christ appropriates symbols that originated with pagans to exalt god- there is nothing wrong with that. Scripture implies that many many times.

It is all about the heart intent.

Jesus taught that many people did right things externally- but their act was wrong for their heart was wrong.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 12:35 PM

17. Could one not also argue it is meat sacrificed to idols?

I don't really have a problem with the appropriation of paganism symbol and rituals, it its the hypocrisy that I see. No Halloween, but All Saints Day is fine and so are most of the trappings of Christmas.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:44 AM

19. Paul dealt with this in both Corinthians and romans.

If ones conscience is stung by the pagan roots- then they should abstain, but not judge those who do participate to the glory of God (not the idols)

But also true those who have the freedom of conscience to put the Christmas trappings up should not look down on those who do not for conscience reasons.

1 Corinthians 8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.



Romans 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

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Response to nolidad (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 06:05 AM

12. Then it dies, the needles fall off

And you throw it to the curb.

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