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Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:48 PM

Why do Americans hate atheists?

inb4 "2014??"
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inb4 "you hate christians!!"

1. Americans equate a lack of religiosity in general – or atheism specifically – with immorality.

2. Americans equate a lack of religiosity in general – or atheism specifically – with being un-American and/or unpatriotic.

3. There is no stigma concerning the expressed dislike of the non-religious. While there is a stigma (to varying degrees, depending on one’s social milieu) attached to being racist, or anti-Semitic, or Islamophobic, or homophobic – there has never existed a social or cultural backlash against people who openly express disdain for secular folks. So people simply feel much more comfortable expressing their dislike for atheists than, say, Latinas/os or women.

4. Insecurity on the part of the religious. Faith – believing claims without sufficient evidence, or claiming to know things that you don’t or can’t know – is an increasingly shaky endeavor. And in order for religious faith to survive, it requires a lot of social support: the more people who share it, the easier it is to maintain and reproduce. Thus, anyone who rejects the tenets of your faith, or calls them in to question, is a threat. Atheists lack a faith in God, and thus theists are particularly threatened by the growing presence of such humans, as they call into question the very thing that is ever so shaky to begin with: religious faith.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-secular-life/201406/why-americans-hate-atheists

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:58 PM

1. ...It is illegal for an atheist to hold public office in seven states...

Wow! That clearly violates the “no religious test” clause of Article VI! WTF?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:04 PM

4. lol.

I know right.
That's from 2014 but I doubt it changed.

Some say it applies only to Federal, not State.
Oh well.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:11 PM

10. In googling about, I discovered Nick Clegg is an atheist

I also found the info on the seven states referenced in the article who deny atheists from holding public office. Excepting Maryland, all Southern Bible Thumpin’ states. What a surprise!

Arkansas
Article 19, Section 1
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."
Maryland
Article 37
"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution."
Mississippi
Article 14, Section 265
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."
North Carolina
Article 6, Section 8
"The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."
South Carolina
Article 17, Section 4
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."
Tennessee
Article 9, Section 2
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."
Texas
Article 1, Section 4
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:13 PM

13. States rights.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:59 PM

2. Because most of them are douche bags like Vegans are

by always letting you know they are what they are. The ones that keep it to themselves are good people.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:06 PM

6. You would say the same thing about Christians who go about quoting the Bible?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:32 PM

21. methinks the lady doth protest too much...

 

he just posts these to virtue signal about something he theoretically doesn't believe in.

The fact is he hates God and Christians since if they exists it means the universe does not start and begin with him.

It is normal for most supposed atheists. Inevitable with the loud ones.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 12:55 PM

31. You do realize the vast majority of atheists you will never know.

We go though our lives quietly pretty much like everyone else. Unless the subject specifically comes up in conversation I feel no need to inform anyone of my lack of faith.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 01:10 PM

35. Excuse me but I was talking about those that are in your face about it like vegans

Those types are douche bags, its not the lack of belief that makes them a DB but their need to let you know out of the blue etc.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 01:16 PM

36. I gathered that. My point was

The vast majority are not that way and therefore you'd never know they were atheists without directly asking. Generally speaking atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, what have you, it's the assholes that tend to stand out. All are represented by their respective worst elements.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:03 PM

3. While....

...I'm not a religious person myself, the few super-vocal 'atheists' I've come across, also seemed to be complete assholes about it and couldn't wait to engage in some ridiculous debate; for which there is no agreeable outcome.

Not surprised that this was not included in the authors points.....

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:06 PM

7. Yeah. There are a lot of things he could have said.

But there are assholes everywhere.
There are people that get offended by assholes everywhere.
Supply and demand.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:13 PM

12. As someone...

...said upthread though: vegans and atheists - and I would add Crossfitters as well - seem to exist on the same plane where it's mandatory that everyone around them be made aware of their personal choices.

I for one do not care and I'll avoid these people at the first mention. That being said, both of my kids went and are attending Catholic school. Less for the religious instruction and more for the rigorous academics.

Being versed in religion is not a bad thing and, in my opinion, gives one a more broad base from which to venture out into the world and decide for ones self.

But, I would also add that in addition to the above groups, I also do not care to be around Evangelical Fundamentalists, for the very same reason.

Keep that shit to yourself dude......

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:15 PM

14. You don't like people talking about their beliefs or lack thereof.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:20 PM

15. They can talk....

...all they like. I'm just not going to take part. Mainly because, every argument pro or con, has been made, ad nauseum, a trillion times with the same outcome: each retreats to their corners none the wiser and in perpetual stalemate.

I have fundamentalist family. They know my proclivities and thus, I will generally just smile and nod, or tip my beer at them and say.... put down the stick and back slowly away from the dead horse.


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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:59 PM

19. People generally don't talk about God in my daily life.

So the conversations are rare. Nobody preaching on the corners or atheists doing stuff. Pretty quiet.
I see it on TV and online all the time.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:05 PM

20. Pretty much the same here....

....though I do run across them at family gatherings and have the occasional Jehovah's Witness knock on my door. I'm always polite...no thank you...no, I would not like a pamphlet....would you care for a hit of Hindu Kush?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 12:13 AM

27. Nor in mine....

Although Mr S and I had two close friends, a married couple, who were very much into the whole God scene. Whenever we got together, the husband would get going on religion and the bible, etc., most likely in the hopes of saving my heathen self from the fires of Hell.

What he...or they...didn't realize was that the more they preached and lectured, the more I was being pushed away


Many people have tried, and many people have failed, to lure me into the flock...whatever flock they followed.


What really finished it off for me, religion-wise, with the two friends was when they suggested that an exorcism would cure me of a couple of life-long anxiety disorders that at a few points in my life were severe and disabling.


aaahhhhh...no. Get that shit outta my face.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 12:56 PM

32. I'm curious. What's a Crossfitter?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 01:02 PM

33. People that....

...take part in the Crossfit workout regime. Like Vegans, they seem compelled to let everyone around them know. Virtue signalling of a different sort I suppose.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 01:07 PM

34. Never met one of those.

I've never known a Vegan for that matter as well. Guess I'm just lucky...

It's a shame really. I could use a good laugh.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:04 PM

5. A more interesting question might be

“Why do Americans, as opposed to citizens of other liberal democracies, hate atheists?”

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:08 PM

8. I'm sure it's been asked.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:33 PM

16. Americans tend to be more religious than people in other liberal democracies.

There, question answered.

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:43 PM

17. Then the question goes back to the OP

slightly rephrased, “Why do American religious people hate atheists?”

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:09 PM

9. Well, it is not just atheists

and it isn't all Americans either. It is mostly CINOs (Christian In Name Only) who forgot that a lot of early (and later) immigrants come to this land because they were hated for their religion. They ignore the universal religious theme of love thy neighbor. Lets face it, most non-christian citizens love the United State because they don't have to be Christians, or beholding unto Christians.

That, and they are just plain envious of us.

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Response to Mad Dog 20-20 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 09:21 AM

52. i just learned that the md does not stand for mad dog in md 20/20...

learn new shit every day.

and now it seems stupid that i just assumed it did.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:12 PM

11. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles

Its first residents came here to escape religious persecution.

The Declaration of Independence mentions God four times!!

American Exceptionalism is based on the unique understanding that our rights come from God, not man.

So anyone who is NOT a believer is essentially unAmerican.

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:54 PM

18. Where does it mention Moses or Jesus?

God can be any god.
Creator can be any creator if you want to match it to your religion.

God wouldn't give different people different amounts of different rights.

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:45 PM

23. This nation was founded on Enlightenment principles very much at odds

with Judeo-Cristian principles. These were reason, individualism and skepticism, hardly the foundations of a religious tradition that had suffocated those ideals for over a dozen centuries.

The puritans came, not to escape religious persecution, but to find a place to practice their own extreme version of it.

The Declaration is primarily the product of Jefferson who clearly rejected the Judeo-Christian Yahweh in favour of a Deist position of a remote god who did not interfere in the affairs of man. Franklin and Paine were probably both atheists, or at least agnostics.

“America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles” is a primary school meme that most rational adults find unconvincing.

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:07 PM

24. But the secular

nation formed after that Declaration uses a Constitution devoid of godly reference.

Our rights come from the simple act of being born, natural born rights are defined in the secular document that is our Constitution, so the the Republic would be devoid of opinions on religion and allow each man or woman to choose his or her own path.

Jefferson said, "But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" a very libertarian viewpoint. Believe what you want, just don't interfere me or my property while doing so.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 05:18 PM

25. ...Our rights come from the simple act of being born...

Exactly! The Enlightenment principle that our rights are derived from our humanity, our being born human.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:34 PM

22. Your premise is incorrect.

Americans don't hate atheists. They tend to hate those who try to take away their rights and traditions though.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 04:45 AM

30. Nobody is taking anything away.

Well religious leaders do.
Human rights?
Let a religious institution gain power and see what happens to those.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 05:02 PM

37. Oh of course not.

“Nobody” stopped school prayer. “Nobody” wants to wipe religion out of the public square. Gimme a break bro.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:22 AM

38. The Founding Fathers stopped those activities when they wrote the First Amendment

When a government school holds prayers for one imaginary being to the exclusion of other imaginary beings, it is clearly promoting the worship of that specific imaginary being.

M

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:21 AM

40. That's what happens when you listen to too many evangelists.

Particularly televangelists.
Prayer in school is such a load of bulls bit, but the octogenarian televangelists just can't understand, nor do they like, the constitution.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:17 AM

39. Uh.. the constitution.

Nobody is stopping religion in public other than religious symbols on public property. Nothing stopping you from going to the park, grabbing a bullhorn and yapping about Jesus all day if you want.
People do it all the time, it's annoying but it's their right to do so, so I just avoid them, which is my right.
You can pray in a school all you want. The school just can't lead a prayer or force a prayer. Can you not see the difference?
Whining that people can't do unconstitutional activities to annoy people isn't a very good argument.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:51 PM

41. No its judicial activism pushed by atheists.

At least you acknowledge atheists take away the rights of others.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:28 PM

42. Nobody took away your rights.

Who is stopping you from practicing your religion?
NOBODY!

If you have a problem with the constitution, talk to the Christians and deists that wrote the damn thing. Oh wait, they are dead, so you will never be able to.
Talk to the Supreme Court.
Why do you hate the constitution?

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #42)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:35 PM

43. Aw come on Sonny. I know it's tough to admit things that make you uncomfortable

but the evidence is very clear that atheists have taken away some rights from people of faith. We don't dislike you except when you use your activism to take away our rights and trample our traditions. If you just went about your business like I do, you'd be much more likable.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:44 PM

44. Which of your rights, specifically, were taken away?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:47 PM

46. lol

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:49 PM

47. You gotta read up thread.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:45 PM

45. Name one religious right you've had taken away.

Not something that you used to get away with doing, that's not a right.
A real right that you've lost because of atheists.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:50 PM

48. You might not like what I posted earlier but those were

rights that I used to enjoy and can no longer because of atheists.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #48)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:56 PM

49. They were never rights. They were the products of a government

that was violating the First Amendment by promoting Christianity.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:48 PM

50. Sorry nope. They were rights taken away.

By atheists. Which in answer to the op is why atheists aren’t liked. Live and let live might be a better approach.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:39 PM

51. lmao

Last edited Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:36 AM - Edit history (1)

Well then you can go to the grave knowing atheists took your rights away.

Edited to add: And your God did absolutely nothing to stop it.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 08:25 PM

26. Mostly because SOME atheists like you act like @$$holes

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 04:40 AM

29. Ya Ya Ya.

You are just a hateful person.
Anything that shows religion in a negative light you just start with the insults. Even if it's simply quoting the bible.

Therefore, your opinion on this matter is irrelevant, like your opinion on just about everything else.

By the way, you don't have to use dollar signs.
I'm a big boy, I can handle your childish insults, you on the other hand, can't even take a speck of criticism.
Sad.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 12:20 AM

28. I'm not even sure

a lot of them would know why they hate atheists. Or, if they did know, whether they would be honest enough to admit why they hate them.

I don't, in general, hate religionists as long as they keep their religion away from me and don't try to pass laws that would affect other people, based on religious beliefs.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:04 PM

53. Go right on ahead whistling through the graveyard.

I was the world's most prolific atheist for 45 years and I saw the light.

I don't take religion very seriously and overall, most people wouldn't label me "a good Christian."

I was raised in an atheist family of Astrologers. I'm no better than anyone else and I hope my opinions don't offend you.

Would you agree that life is magic? How could this Earth hit such a sweet spot in the Universe without divine help?

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Response to sobek (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:16 PM

54. Well there are probably a billion planets like ours in the universe

Maybe more.
The goldilocks zone is pretty wide in a solar system.
I laugh at creationists and evangelists that say the universe was fine tuned for us by God.
We would die instantly anywhere else but on our little speck of dust, not quote finely tuned.

I don't agree life magic. Life is an ongoing process, started billions of years ago.
No you don't offend me. I refuse to let things offend me. Being offended is a choice a person makes. I choose not to be offended over anything.
I laugh it off or ignore it but nothing you said there could be considered offensive.

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Response to sobek (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:58 AM

55. ...the world's most prolific atheist...

Wow! Is that you Richard Dawkins?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 06:04 AM

56. Undefeated in every fight he's been in.

Breaks boards without touching them in black belt magazine.
Now the world's most prolific atheist.

He's simply the best.
Better than all the rest.

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