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Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:28 PM

Actor Anthony Hopkins Turns from Alcoholism & Atheism, Becomes A Christian

https://www.godupdates.com/anthony-hopkins-testimony-atheism-alcoholism/
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Anthony Hopkins is one of the most well-known actors of our time. For years, he was a well-known atheist, too. But all of that changed when a woman at an AA meeting challenged his disbelief with one, simple question. That was the beginning of the inspiring Anthony Hopkins testimony!
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There is hope out there still. Even for a few supposedly lost causes here at DI. Never stop praying.

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Reply Actor Anthony Hopkins Turns from Alcoholism & Atheism, Becomes A Christian (Original post)
Da Mannn Feb 8 OP
Grebbid Feb 8 #1
Da Mannn Feb 8 #2
freedumb2003 Feb 8 #3
foia Feb 8 #6
freedumb2003 Feb 8 #7
foia Feb 8 #8
freedumb2003 Feb 8 #10
SatansSon666 Feb 9 #20
Bubba Feb 9 #17
SatansSon666 Feb 9 #19
foia Feb 9 #22
Currentsitguy Feb 8 #9
freedumb2003 Feb 8 #11
Currentsitguy Feb 8 #12
freedumb2003 Feb 8 #13
Currentsitguy Feb 8 #14
freedumb2003 Feb 8 #15
Currentsitguy Feb 8 #16
foia Feb 9 #23
SatansSon666 Feb 9 #21
orson Feb 8 #4
Thorson Feb 8 #5
SatansSon666 Feb 9 #18
sobek Feb 12 #24

Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:39 PM

1. I'll never stop praying

that all people abandon religion and embrace reason, reality and individual rights.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:45 PM

2. to whom?

and just to say, there is still hope for you as well.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:29 PM

3. Satan. Who else?

 

Satan's greatest trick was convincing people He did not exist.

Atheists are good because they don't want to get caught and punished.

That is their only possible motivation.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:14 PM

6. Not true at all.

I'm not religious and never have been. I don't steal because I respect other peoples' property. It has nothing to do with a fear of being caught.

If the reason you don't steal is merely because you fear God's wrath then you have very shallow character.

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Response to foia (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:01 PM

7. Wrong again God provides the framework for goodness.

 

To an atheist there is no difference between being a mass murderer or Mother Theresa. Since the athiest supplies the framework, the atheist defines goodness.

When you die you die. You are meaningless except for how you make yorself feel while here.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:22 PM

8. Yes. There is a difference between a mass murderer and Mother Teresa

with or without God.

There are plenty of charitable non-religious people.

You have a very simplistic view of human psychology.

When you die, you die. There is no evidence that God exists.

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:03 PM

10. There is no atheistic framework that differentiates between evil and good

 

merely how they make the creator of the framework -- you -- feel.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:09 AM

20. As humans, being societal creatures,

before god was even invented. We still knew that killing members of your tribe wasn't good for the benefit of the tribe.
Most animals know this, like wolves for example. Wolves don't need an needy invisible man in the sky to fawn over to know that you don't just go and kill the wolves in your pack. Wolves haven't been forced from birth to recite magical spells and incantations in order to shower a selfish being with praise all their lives in hope of some bullshit reward when they die. Being forced to kiss the ass of this being until the end of time. Forever. Kissing god's ass and praising him. Over and over and over and over. How long before that would get old, I wonder?

Gee, I've been dead for 600 million years, kissing god's ass, I've seen the universe, I've done everything there is to do a hundred times over now, I've had enough. How can I end this existence? YOU CAN'T!! Pucker up, you got the rest of eternity pal. No release, no end, forever.

no thanks.

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 02:31 AM

17. Fair Enough.

"There is no evidence that God exists."

But is there evidence God does not exist??

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Response to Bubba (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:00 AM

19. Is there evidence that a bigger more powerful god doesn't exist?

Maybe that's who people should be worshiping.
God's god.

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Response to Bubba (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:57 AM

22. There is plenty of evidence that God does not exist. Here's the latest example.




(Either that or he has a really good sense of humor.)

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:46 PM

9. Imposed virtue is anything but

If you need to be told what is right and what is wrong you should be isolated from society for our own good as you are a danger.

The thought that one is either motivated by fear of retribution or the promise of a reward is evil in it's purest sense.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:04 PM

11. That is not what I said

 

Reading is FUNdamental.

Those who decide for themselves what is right and wrong -- THAT is where the danger lies,

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:21 PM

12. I never implied that

Healthy, functioning societies, the world over regardless of religion, regardless of culture, generally arrive upon the same basic rules, as it has been determined over the millennia that they are best for a generally peaceful, harmonious society. Things like prohibitions against murder, theft, assault, rape, vandalism, etc. Note I said healthy functioning societies. That excludes places like much of the Muslim world, as they are neither healthy, or functioning, at least not on a level the rest of the civilized world finds acceptable.

Japan comes to mind as an example. Culturally they are the furthest thing from a Western, Judeo-Christian society but it can't be argued that they are not a healthy, prosperous, relatively well ordered society. Considering the density of population the rates of violence are shockingly low. Generally speaking they have pretty much the same basic laws and customs as the rest of the 1st world.

Guess what I am getting at is what is moral? It is that which reduces violence between people to the lowest level possible, respect the private property rights of all, and does this while maintaining individual freedom for people. If one looks at Game Theory the player who plays to the mutual benefit of all, tends to come out on top. This would seem to indicate cooperation rather than pure selfishness is ultimately the best winning strategy. That's an important life lesson.

Small L libertarian political philosophy would call that the Non Aggression Principle.

"The non-aggression principle (or NAP; also called the non-aggression axiom, the anti-coercion, zero aggression principle or non-initiation of force) is an ethical stance asserting that aggression is inherently wrong. In this context, "aggression" is defined as initiating or threatening any forcible interference with an individual or individual's property. In contrast to pacifism, it does not forbid forceful defense.

The NAP is considered by some to be a defining principle of natural-rights libertarianism. It is also a prominent idea in anarcho-capitalism, (classical) liberalism, libertarianism, and minarchism."

Thomas Jefferson was a proponent:
""Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." and "No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.""

In modern parlance it was summed up by Murray Rothbard:
"No one may threaten or commit violence ('aggress') against another man's person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a nonaggressor. Here is the fundamental rule from which can be deduced the entire corpus of libertarian theory."

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:35 PM

13. All that means if we have established norms. The norms are voluntary.

 

TJ notwithstanding, in the absence of a moral framework from God, the norms are followed for the good of the person voluntarily following them.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:48 PM

14. I'm not really sure how it can otherwise.

A difference that makes no difference is not a difference at all.

Healthy societies and moral behavior are activities and states that exist in and of themselves, regardless of a person's faith or lack thereof. There are decent, kind, considerate people, both religious and not, just as there are some real SOB's on both sides. One need only look at the demographics of our prison population to realize their faith wasn't exactly a deterrent on their criminal behavior.

If you were raised to be a good person, and carry those lessons into you adulthood, then you are going to be a good person no matter what you believe. If, on the other hand you are raised among criminals and without any proper role models, I don't care if you got dragged to services every Sunday your future is not looking bright. Most likely you are going to end up a guest of the State.

Some people are just amoral or worse yet, immoral. Others just have poor impulse control. For whatever reason they will just never be functioning, productive members of society and no amount of preaching is going to change that.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:52 PM

15. The difference is the belief system. One sees a greater power and love. The other only self.

 

The belief "I am all that matters so I will follow the rules for my own good" is what atheists must believe. It is play acting.

The belief "I was put here for a reason and am part of a construct of love and have a responsibility to that love" is external looking and necessary.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:05 PM

16. I suppose it all depends on ones need to feel part of something larger.

Personally speaking, I never have, yet I find that no impediment to knowing and striving to do what is right. Like all people, sometimes I fail, and I tend to feel wracked in guilt afterwards. I know I could have done better, but I failed. Generally speaking that usually happens when I realize that I have put my own interests above those of others. I have no harsher critic than that guy who looks back at me in the mirror every morning.

Bottom line is there aren't hierarchies of morality, with the individual on one plane and one who acts according to religious rules or compulsion on an elevated one. Right is right and wrong is wrong and that is that. If the Almighty decided to prove himself and come down tomorrow and proclaim that it is his new will that we kill every third person we see, I am still not going to do it because it would still be wrong regardless of whatever I was told. Divine pronouncement does not constitute the final decision on what is moral and what is not. It exist independent of, and perhaps in spite of any potential divine proclamation.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:14 AM

23. When you choose which religion to believe in then

you're also taking it upon yourself to decide which construct of right and wrong to adopt.

How many religions are there in the world? Various sects of Christianity, Islam, eastern religions, etc...

Believers of each decide for themselves which construct right and wrong to adopt, from a Southern Baptist to a member of ISIS. And they generally assume superiority over believers of other religions in thinking that theirs is the one true God and pathway to eternal bliss.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:44 AM

21. HAIL SATAN!!!



Atheists don't believe in Satan either.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:41 PM

4. Oh Invisible Being

Who lives we know not where
Who makes pigs and cowries
Make some for me

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:46 PM

5. I'm so happy for my favorite actor.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 04:49 AM

18. Oh well. His decision.

Doesn't change anything.

Just goes to show that you can be at your worst and go someplace for help to beat an addiction and even then, someone will show absolutely no respect for you and start trying to push Jebus on you.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 06:41 AM

24. Anthony Hopkins had some weird habits.

He would rent old cars and drive around America, the Midwest, the West, sorta aimlessly at random between films. He'd just disappear for months.

Hope he found what he was looking for all along.

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