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Mon Sep 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

teaching children about evolution is one cause of mass shootings.

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Reply teaching children about evolution is one cause of mass shootings. (Original post)
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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 02:47 AM

2. That is one of the more original explanations I have heard. ...

I can’t for the life of me figure out any way that teaching evolution would have any effect on mass murder.

Note that I personally favor Intelligent design over evolution.



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Response to batcat (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:02 AM

3. Easy. Evolution teaches us we are all animals and, therefore, some people think

they have no higher spiritual duty to others. Some guy from the FRC was on the other day whining that these shootings were due to taking Yahweh out of the public square. Let’s see:

1. Video games
2. Mental health
3. Separation of Church and State
4. Evolution

Anything but the availability of guns.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:23 AM

4. i do happen to favor the "mental health" explanation

aided by violent games and entertainment.

self radicalization of alienated incels on internet sites designed for that purpose is also a factor.

returning religion to "the public square," a place from which it had been constitutionally excluded for 160 years is fairly faulty reasoning.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:39 PM

51. Your words say exactly what I believe. Thanks.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:49 AM

5. Hundreds of millions of Americans have guns easily available to them.

It does not turn them into mass murderers.

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Response to foia (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:07 AM

7. And America has the highest homicide rate by guns by far in the developed world

All of whom:

1. Play video games
2. Have individuals with mental health issues
3. Keep religion out of their government much more than the US does
4. Teach evolution in their schools and accept evolution as fact significantly more than Americans do

Plus, inb4 “Oh wait! Look over there!! It’s Chicago!!!”

5. Have major metropolitan areas governed by individuals much more Liberal than any Chicago politician

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:58 AM

10. Define ''developed world'' since obviously YOU don't believe Honduras, Eswatini, Jamaica,

"And America has the highest homicide rate by guns by far in the developed world"

Guatemala, El Salvador, Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Panama, Philippines, South Africa, Costa Rica, Mexico, Paraguay, or Uruguay count as being developed....

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Response to quad489 (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:11 AM

12. No, I don't and neither does the CIA

“A developed country is defined as a country that have a developed economy and advanced tech infrastructure when compared to other nations. Typically, a developed country is designated by look at several factors, including the gross national product, gross domestic product, per capita income, industrialization level, standard of living, and infrastructure.“
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/developed-countries/

Guatemala!?!?! I have to give you credit. You do come up with some comic gems.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:21 AM

14. Wow, what a fracking hilarious lame ass definition...no wonder morons call China a developing nation

"A developed country is defined as a country that have a developed economy and advanced tech infrastructure when compared to other nations"

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Response to quad489 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:29 AM

17. Both China and India are considered developing nations as vast swaths have

little or no technical infrastructure. Even if one lives in Paducah, one has much more access to advanced infrastructure than if one lives in a similar village out in the sticks in China.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:40 AM

19. ..only by morons who ignore how both have a vast military, nuke weapons, and space programs. Those..

"Both China and India are considered developing nations as vast swaths have little or no technical infrastructure."

.."vast swaths" with "little or no technical infrastructure" are done by govt choice of spending their monies on those previously mentioned govt programs instead of on their citizenry/national infrastructure.

Pretty sad to see you here falling for that "developing nation" bullshit label..........sure thought you were much smarter than this.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:46 AM

21. The definition is of developed/developing nations and not a measure of a

nation’s military prowess. By such a definition NK would be a developed nation. It’s not. You asked for a definition, after questioning me if I considered Guatemala a developed nation and I gave you the one the CIA uses. If you think you know more about the countries of the world than the CIA, great!

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:50 AM

33. Nothing like proving that definition to be even more idiotic than previously believed...

"The definition is of developed/developing nations and not a measure of a nation’s military prowess."

...given that WHERE, and on WHAT, a nation chooses to spend it's resources/wealth should be a key determining factor on giving it such a label.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:58 AM

35. So your definition of a developed country is one with a high GDP?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:58 AM

34. ''after questioning me if I considered Guatemala a developed nation''...funny how my list included..

...many other nations listed on it, including mexico & brazil, which are ranked #20 and #17 respectively in regards to that nation's total wealth.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #34)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:08 AM

36. So, your definition of a developed country is based on the

country’s “total wealth” whatever that means?

And btw you also listed Nicaragua and El Salvador!

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:32 AM

38. ''countrys total wealth whatever that means?''...same as a person, assets minus its liabilities.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:40 AM

40. Assets include natural assets and are counted whether they are being exploited or not

By your definition, Mexico is a significantly more DEVELOPED country than Denmark. It is not. Your definition is ludicrous.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:31 AM

30. Obviously if you live in a nation where guns are rare...

you have a lower gun homicide rate. Unfortunately in such nations it is far easier for a tyrannical government to gain power.

Many in our nation today do not trust our government enough to give up our rights to own firearms. This level of distrust may increase as evidence comes out that members of the Obama administration possibly including Obama abused their powers in an attempt to stage a soft coup on Trump. It is also becoming obvious that we have a two tiered justice system in our nation today. One for the rich and well connected like Hillary and Epstein, Comey, Clapper and Brennan and one for the “little people.” Obviously we haven’t reached the point where an armed uprising is necessary but that doesn’t mean we never will.

Many in the Democratic Party are starting to favor socialism. The people in socialist Venezuela most likely wish they had a right to own firearms so they could overthrow their oppressive and corrupt government.

Because of the “Ferguson Effect” police departments are having a hard time filling their ranks and many officers are avoiding confrontations. If someone is breaking into a home the police may be unable or unwilling to respond quickly. In such cases a homeowner may find a firearm a useful deterrent.

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Response to batcat (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:47 AM

32. I would interpret your first paragraph as a rewording of my statement

“easy access to guns” which seems to have triggered a couple of our colleagues.

As to the other developed nations, none of them has turned into a dictatorship in the modern era coinciding with their crackdown on guns. And, as has been pointed out here on multiple occasions, only a small % of the 400M guns in the US are of the AR-15 (or similar) type. Despite all the cries of “Wolverines” they would be minimally effective against the full might of the US government which annually spends 700B+ on DoD alone.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 11:03 AM

42. Dont overestimate the power of the U.S, military against insurgents. ...

How well did we do in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Next you will be telling me that the U.S. Military would bring in fighter jets to bomb or nuke cities where people refused to turn over their firearms.

Just because no developed nations has confiscated firearms developed a tyrannical form of government after in the “modern era” does not guarantee that it will not happen nor that it can not happen here.

Estimates are 15 to 20 million weapons similar to the AR-15 are in circulation and the AR-15 is the most popular single model of rifle being sold today. That figure grows by one to two million annually. (Ref: https://www.thetrace.org/2018/09/how-many-assault-weapons-in-the-us/)

Of course banning and confiscation of all AR-15 rifles plus similar semi-automatic rifles would NOT stop mass murders committed with firearms. Handguns have been used in mass murders more often than rifles. (Ref: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/)

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Response to batcat (Reply #42)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 04:06 PM

47. A number of good points and I respect your reply

Consider an alternative scenario for a moment. Partisans are so convinced that their side are the good guys and the military, being good guys themselves, will side with their side. However, look at escalating hostilities by both the extreme Right and the extreme Left from the military's perspective. They may see these escalations as a threat to the government and take what I refer to as the “Turkish Solution.”

Just food for thought.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #47)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:09 PM

48. We are seeing increasing hostility between groups in our nation today. ...

There is no doubt that some of these groups can be violent. You may be right on how our military could view the situation. Obviously the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 limits the use of the army or Air Force for law enforcement.

I am not sure what you call the “Turkish Solution” is. Could you be referring to the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt?

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Response to batcat (Reply #48)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:39 PM

50. I was actually referring to the 1980 Military Coup

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #50)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:53 PM

53. I can see how your Turkish Solution could happen in this nation. ...

I’m not sure if the armed members of our society would accept military rule. Much would depend on just how bad the situation was. In your 1980 coup Turkey was definitely a real mess.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:43 PM

52. Good for them, if you like it so much you can always get on a plane.

Your choice.

I made the choice to live in the most free country on earth, the one that others are actually dying to get into.

When you leave please go by an immigration office and see if you can escort some of those invaders back home.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:02 PM

54. Ah, the last refuge of those with absolutely no argument

No surprise it would come from you. It’s the very essence of your posts.

First, the US is not even close to the freest country on earth as measured by either the CONSERVATIVE US Cato Institute or Heritage Foundation. You just imagine it is because you are allowed unfettered access to your little penis extenders.

Second, some little nobody on the internets has no right to tell a US citizen to “love it or leave it.” I have also made a choice (I actually had one) and I have chosen to reside elsewhere.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #54)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:45 PM

56. Nope I see no since in trying to argue with a brick.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #56)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:01 PM

57. Yep. Love it or leave it. Great argument

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Response to foia (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:09 AM

11. And we've had that accessibility since the US was founded...and yet these mass murderers are...

...a rather recent event and the vast majority of the time they strike areas known to forbid firearms. It's as if they like having a bunch of sitting ducks who, if they're obeying those feel good laws, can't shoot back at them....

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Response to quad489 (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:17 AM

13. ...they strike areas known to forbid firearms...

I see you subscribe to the Archie Bunker method of gun control...

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:27 AM

15. ''they strike areas known to forbid firearms''...so that is not true???

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:29 AM

16. ''I see you subscribe to the Archie Bunker method of gun control...''...link it up!!!

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Response to quad489 (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:33 AM

18. I quoted you. Or are not airlines areas in which guns are forbidden?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:41 AM

20. ''I quoted you''...where?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:47 AM

22. In post 18. I cut and pasted the title from your previous post, for Yahwehs sake

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:50 AM

23. ''I see you subscribe to the Archie Bunker method of gun control''...was your claim, so link it up!!

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:38 AM

8. ''Anything but the availability of guns''...and how are guns easier to get today than decades back

..when the majority of us grew up and a higher % of homes had guns in them???

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:02 AM

24. Guns in America are tighter controlled than they have ever been.

When they were not, we didn't have "these shootings".

You can not, will not change availability short of a constitutional amendment or a civil war.

You could try taking up the issue with bad actors. however, and leave the vast majority of us who aren't, out of your little control schemes.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:09 AM

26. I am making factual observations, not being a proponent of individual solutions

I have said before, I wish the number of guns inAmerica would triple.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:19 AM

27. Your factual observations, as always, are quite selective.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:24 AM

28. I listed all of the excuses I have heard for the recent shootings

and noted that these are all present (or absent in some cases) in all other developed countries (perhaps not considering Guatemala as our colleague noted ). Which excuse did I miss?

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:30 AM

29. And then you listed your own excuse "the availability of guns"

Not contained among your observations, is any blame apportioned to the individual.

As I said, quite selective.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:37 AM

31. Well, one poster here has said that if a shooter is a white male

he MUST be mentally ill (which I listed) because we all know that white males are innately good. So I guess you’re correct. I didn’t list non-white male/female liberals who are the ones who have the personal accountability for their actions.

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Response to batcat (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:26 AM

37. Tony Perkins: Mass Shootings Happen Because Kids Learn About Evolution And 'Primordial Slime'

Tony Perkins: Mass Shootings Happen Because Kids Learn About Evolution And 'Primordial Slime'


Tony Perkins, head of the conservative Family Research Council, on Sunday said that liberals were to blame for mass shootings because they have allegedly taken God out of the public square.

Perkins appeared on Fox & Friends where he was identified as a "former police officer."

According to Perkins, the shooting near Odessa, Texas that left five dead was "just tragic."

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/09/tony-perkins-mass-shootings-happen-because

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 05:24 PM

49. It could be argued that one reason for religion is to create a more law abiding ...

society. Police can only do so much. If the majority of people believe they are being watched and evaluated by a supreme being and their ultimate destination will be paradise or a lake of fire in Hell — you will end up with a more law abiding society. The same if your society believes in reincarnation and if you do something really bad you may be reincarnated as a cockroach.

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:01 AM

6. I can't see that.

However, I do see that what's being taught children, in school and too many homes, is a major cause of not just mass shootings, but all types of anti-social and criminal behavior. The advent of participation awards', excusing behaviors based on implied persecution/oppression, 'you deserve' and 'have a right' to free everything, all the OTT PC, what else could one expect?

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:43 AM

9. If true, why haven't mass shootings been a problem since back to the scopes trials???

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Response to quad489 (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:06 AM

25. Evolution was not taught in schools until decades after the Scopes trial

Scopes lost, you know.

Hell, even today 1/3 of all Americans reject evolution, including 64% of white, evangelical Protestants.
https://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 12:09 PM

43. OK...where are all the mass shootings during the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's...????????????

"Evolution was not taught in schools until decades after the Scopes trial"

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Response to quad489 (Reply #43)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 12:42 PM

45. You honestly don't believe that either I or the OP (presumably) are actually

arguing that teaching evolution DOES lead to mass shootings, do you? I, at least, am mocking all of those theist types who argue that evolution takes purpose and morality from our lives and leads to people like Stalin.

There are two problems with that argument:

1. It’s not true. Stalin, for example, was a result of many other social factors all of which were more important than his belief (or not) in evolution
2. Assume the argument is completely true. So? One doesn’t get to pick and choose facts based upon feelings. The Universe doesn’t care.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #45)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 01:41 PM

46. OP touts that ''teaching children about evolution is one cause of mass shootings'' so what else is

one to believe about the OP author??

You...I'd hope would not be so ignorant to believe that crap nor all the BS being spewed around that blames the GUN for the recent mass shooting violence.

"One doesn’t get to pick and choose facts based upon feelings"...need to tell that to the statistically challenged morons trying to ban the AR-15 who apparently don't know how to read FBI stats regarding the weapons most used to murder other people with...

See https://www.discussionist.com/10152052502 for latest example of one of these statistically challenged posters...

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Response to quad489 (Reply #46)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:09 PM

55. I posted the OP to draw ridicule to Tony Perkins.

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #55)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:41 PM

58. Why...you really don't believe the ''absence of morality'' in our society is part of the problem???

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Response to quad489 (Reply #58)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 08:58 PM

59. Has there ever been a moral society?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:37 AM

39. Tony Perkins: Mass Shootings Happen Because Kids Learn About Evolution And 'Primordial Slime'

Tony Perkins: Mass Shootings Happen Because Kids Learn About Evolution And 'Primordial Slime'

Tony Perkins, head of the conservative Family Research Council, on Sunday said that liberals were to blame for mass shootings because they have allegedly taken God out of the public square.

Perkins appeared on Fox & Friends where he was identified as a "former police officer."

According to Perkins, the shooting near Odessa, Texas that left five dead was "just tragic."

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/09/tony-perkins-mass-shootings-happen-because

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 12:10 PM

44. Cool story, so where are all the mass shootings during the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's???

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Response to Micrometer (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:51 AM

41. This did not happen 50 years ago.

Something has changed over that time.

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