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Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:19 PM

Fox & Friends Guest Blames Mass Shootings on the Decline of Christianity

Fox News guest on Sunday blamed America's rising gun violence on the decline of Christianity after a mass shooting in West Texas left at least seven dead and 22 others injured this weekend.

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During a Fox & Friends segment discussing the West Texas massacre on Sunday, Tony Perkins — a former police officer who's currently president of the Family Research Council, a Christian conservative policy and lobbying organization — attempted to blame America's allegedly dwindling morality for the country's uptick in mass shootings.

"It's tragic and at some point we have to realize we have a problem as a nation, and the problem is not the absence of laws. It's an absence of morality," Perkins said, " really the result of a decades-long march through the institutions of America, driving religion and God from the public square."

"What do we need to do as a country?" the show's host asked Perkins.

"I'm willing to sit down with the left who say, 'I don't want to hear anymore about your prayers,'" the former police officer replied. "Well, I agree. Praying alone is not enough, it's time to act. It's not just about having a conversation about restricting those who should not have guns — criminals — but it's also a discussion of the absence of a moral core in our culture today."

"We've taught our kids that they come about by chance through primordial slime and we're surprised that they treat their fellow Americans like dirt," he continued.

Perkins went on to suggest that religion would be more effective than gun control in combating mass shootings across the country.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:25 PM

1. I would say that is a Factor, if you have no morals you do dumb shit

And the Rise of Islam in a Formerly Judeo/Christian Country doesn’t help either

We need to teach Right and Wrong again

Even if it hurts whackos fee fees

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:46 PM

2. "Judeo/Christian"

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:19 PM

4. Right.

Judeo/Christian, and don't you forget it.

You can't change history. Too bad for you.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:00 PM

8. "Judeo" has little to do with the founding of this Nation. This you know, right? eom

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:25 PM

10. I believe the reference is to Judeo-Christian values, not to demographical or

sociological influences that created this society.

One can even insist that Islamic values affect us in good ways (as well as the very obvious bad ways), given that Islam is the daughter of Judaism.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 10:16 PM

11. Theologian and author Arthur A. Cohen, in The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition, questioned the

Theologian and author Arthur A. Cohen, in The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition, questioned the theological validity of the Judeo-Christian concept and suggested that it was essentially an invention of American politics.

The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition

In other words, a propagandist term invented to project some great attachment between Christians and jews that, historically never really existed. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:50 PM

3. I strongly resist the statement of line of thought that morals are only based on western religions.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:23 PM

5. They're not, and I don't believe anyone has claimed that morals ONLY comes from western religions...

...though I really gotta wonder about the mentality of any woman who chooses to become some moslem's property...



...especially after arriving here in the US as a refugee.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:23 PM

6. No people can have morals and ethics apart from Christianity

which by the way is a middle east religion.

But the vacuum that happened when our society went secular has been picked up by many things the the Bible calls immoral.

Evolution and moral relativism has led to a mass increase in nihilism. Since the 60's the rise of teen and young adult suicide has risen to the place where suicide is now the #2 cause of all teen deaths in America!

There is a correlation. HIgher divorce rates in and out of the church, higher single parenting, higher crime rates, higher drug and alcohol abuse all show their marked increses in line with the rise of secularism in america!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:50 PM

7. Absolutely.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:23 PM

9. How about these tenets to live by?

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:54 AM

13. YOur noble tenets are full of flaws!

1. Whose reason? Arab reason says Jews are a parasite. Should we act according to their reason? Reason is based on your cultural indocrination.

2. Who defines what kind of justice it is? And what is the definition of justice.

3. does that include the living entity in a womans' womb? It is living, has human dna so does it has that same inviolate right?
4. I have the freedom to not be intentionally offended- intentionally offending someone encroaches on their right to live in peace-emotionally.
5. Scientists have been wrong many many many times. Why should we allow them to enforce the beliefs of others?
6. Here we agree!
7. But those spirits you call noble must be learned! And they cannot be learned without them being taught. And they cannot be taught without speaking and the written word!

If one simply established a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and strived to live according to teh principles laid down for NT saints- your list would not have needed to be written.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:30 AM

14. Not my tenets, from the satanic temple website just found them interesting.

How about these, 1 to 4 seem useless:

1) You shall have no other gods before me.

2) You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water below. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, responding to the transgression of fathers by dealing with children to the third and fourth generations of those who reject me, and showing covenant faithfulness to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

3) You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold guiltless anyone who takes his name in vain.

4) Remember the Sabbath day to set it apart as holy. For six days you may labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your male servant, or your female servant, or your cattle, or the resident foreigner who is in your gates.
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, and he rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

5) Honor your father and your mother, that you may live a long time in the land the Lord your God is giving to you.

6) You shall not murder.

7) You shall not commit adultery.

8) You shall not steal.

9) You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

10) You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:20 AM

16. Unless of course the God of the Bible is the one true God!

That is the issue each indivudual must decide.

Jesus said this:

John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

It is very cliche- but He is either right or wrong. One should make real sure if they decide He is wrong- eternity is riding on it!

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:14 AM

12. Tony Perkins should read Thomas Paine.

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason:

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church,
by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church
that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches,
whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions,
set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and
tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the
Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than
the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize
mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine#Religious_views

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Response to Micrometer (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 01:13 PM

15. Hear, hear!

Thanks for posting, indeed.

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