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Sat Oct 18, 2014, 06:27 PM

Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gayfriendly statements

Pope Francis appeared on Saturday night to have lost out to powerful conservatives in the Roman Catholic church after bishops scrapped language that had been hailed as a historic warming of attitudes towards gay people.

In the final report of an extraordinary synod on the family which has exposed deep divides in the church hierarchy, there is no mention – as there had been in a draft version – of the “gifts and qualities” gay people can offer. Nor is there any recognition of the “precious support” same-sex partners can give each other.

A paragraph entitled “pastoral attention to people of homosexual orientation” – itself a distinctly cooler tone than “welcoming homosexual persons” – refers to church teaching, saying there can be “not even a remote” comparison between gay unions and heterosexual marriage.
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It was the synod’s other highly controversial subject – considering whether Catholics who have divorced and remarried should be allowed to take holy communion – that included the only other sections to fail to muster the necessary two-thirds majority. Walter Kasper, a German cardinal known in media circles as “the pope’s theologian” because of his closeness to Francis, has been the key backer of a move to allow more people access to the sacraments. But, in an indication of how far his proposal was from gaining a consensus among his global peers, the sections dealing with the thorny issue were guarded and merely noted that there was a clear clash of views. “The question will be further explored,” said the report.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/18/catholic-bishops-backtrack-on-gay-welcome
If you're wondering what they said about contraception, the other big topic going into the synod, it was:

53. Today, the diffusion of a mentality which reduces the generation of life to accommodate an individual’s or couple’s plans is easily observable. Sometimes, economic factors are burdensome, contributing to a sharp drop in the birthrate which weakens the social fabric, thus compromising relations between generations and rendering a future outlook less certain. Openness to life is an intrinsic requirement of married love.

54. Realistic language is probably also needed in this instance, language which knows how to start by listening to people and acknowledging the beauty and truth of an unconditional openness to life as that which human life needs to live life fully. This serves as the basis for an appropriate teaching regarding the natural methods of human reproduction, which allow a couple to live in a harmonious and conscious manner the communication between husband and wife, in all its aspects, along with their responsibility at procreating life. In this regard, we should return to the message of the Encyclical Humanae Vitae of Pope Paul VI, which highlights the need to respect the dignity of the person in the moral evaluation of the methods of regulating births.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/10/16/full-text-updated-mid-term-report-on-family-synod/
So every sperm is still sacred. You cannot wear whatever you want on your John Thomas.

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Reply Pope Francis the loser as hardline bishops veto gayfriendly statements (Original post)
Muzzlehatch Oct 2014 OP
frankt8242 Oct 2014 #1
LeightonC Oct 2014 #2
Silent But Deadly Nov 2014 #3
emj76 Nov 2014 #4
Silent But Deadly Nov 2014 #5

Response to Muzzlehatch (Original post)

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 06:43 PM

1. I honestly fear for his life...

 

There is way too much money at stake for the "behind the scenes" powers, to risk allowing him to shake things up and interrupt their cash flow...And if you think organized religion isn't a "business" you're sadly misinformed...

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Response to Muzzlehatch (Original post)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 02:16 PM

2. I think people who discount this pope are 1 issue religious.

I am a humanist. I speak quite well with atheists, but I also use and wrestle with in philosophy and psychology and meditative techniques. This pope has come forward with the Church needs to accept NEW!!! That isn't tied up only to alternative lifestyles but it also means welcoming re-castings of the various scriptures. Let me write an example If God Be: For: me WHO can BE For against ME.
Process: Doing: History: _ bringing out precursor
Algorithm Work methods vs details aspects displacement involved
Nature Balance Distribution To every one vs Across this level. shortterm(has nothing to do with time but with length.) If I show up at a Bible Study with this interpretation I will be thrown out For using non compliant seminary words!!!

Religion needs to revise itself to extend discussions not Stifle them. Get rid of the Rinse and Repeat Theology. Millennial(s) know what that is and do Will Fully with a complete (You say comfort I say Complete) explanation Reject it. With too many religious groups They give a hand out and pats on the back and praise for the number of people they reject.

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Response to Muzzlehatch (Original post)

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:19 AM

3. Give it time--he writes their orders. Those outspoken naysayers will end up in

West Nowhere cleaning latrines for the poor in a grass hut with no a/c. They'd better leave the silken vestments at home, they'll be wearing burlap!

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Response to Silent But Deadly (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:51 PM

4. I agree.

He's still the head of the church, no matter what the synod tries to do.

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Response to emj76 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 12:57 AM

5. HA! He already demoted the Head Shit Stirrer of that evolution!

Boom goes the dyn-o-mite!

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2014/11/10/pope-francis-demotes-outspoken-american-conservative-cardinal-burke/

These guys need to figure out that they don't mess with Frank.

I guess the thesis of this thread--that the Pope is a "loser"--isn't really operative, at the end of the day. The Pope is still Pope, and Cardinal Burke is a Knights of Malta latrine cleaner!

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