Funfun

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:48 AM

Wondering if I'm going to hell over something

I love animals a lot more than I do most people, animals, especially dogs, give you unconditional love and are trusting, people are selfish bastards who are always out for themselves and you have to filter whatever they are doing through that angle.

So I started giving to ASPCA, I researched them and humane society, ASPCA gives a lot more of what they bring in to the care of animals, as well as they are more dogs and cats specifically, than giraffes and monkeys in Africa, or polar bears, etc.

A lot of times when you tell people that they will give you the blahs about "how can you care more for animals when you're a human, and there are starving kids who need help", McBlah, so I attempted to thread that needle by also giving to shriners, so that when someone throws up that argument I can throw back help for shriners at them.

So I guess you can say I pay crippled kids so I can use them politically.

Is that something you go to hell over?

20 replies, 469 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 20 replies Author Time Post
Reply Wondering if I'm going to hell over something (Original post)
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 OP
DDKick Mar 2017 #1
GoodKraic Mar 2017 #2
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #3
GoodKraic Mar 2017 #14
MumblyPeg Mar 2017 #4
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #5
MumblyPeg Mar 2017 #7
Squeek Mar 2017 #13
joefriday6 Mar 2017 #6
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #9
joefriday6 Mar 2017 #10
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #15
WritelyWrong Mar 2017 #8
Squeek Mar 2017 #11
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #16
Gamle-ged Mar 2017 #12
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #17
Gamle-ged Mar 2017 #18
Ravenquills Mar 2017 #19
Frankenvoter Mar 2017 #20

Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 07:53 AM

1. Having the intent of being generous seems to me to be the bigger picture in your case.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 08:38 AM

2. I find it sad that you find this true

"people are selfish bastards who are always out for themselves"

Of course that's true of some people all of the time or many people some of the time. But I believe most of the people most of the time try to do the right thing for their fellow man. Not to make it political, but I think this is why I'm drawn to conservatism. I believe that more power given to the individual will create a better society than with a small group of elites.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to GoodKraic (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 08:51 AM

3. I agree with you about why conservatism is a better option

I definatly think help is better given from one person to another rather than forced contributions to a government who filters it through layers and layers of beauracratic scum before it ever gets to the intended use. That's IF they are even working that day, as they use a good portion of it to take 30 to 40 days off per year, with pay, between things like flag day, personal days, vacation days, sick days, etc etc etc.

Maybe it's just the way I grew up, but my fellow man has caused me to question smiling faces and handshakes, humans are selfish by nature, we have to work at being generous and kind.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 01:04 PM

14. We agree on much.

I hope though you have more experiences that improves your faith in your fellow men.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 09:47 AM

4. generally speaking,

charity should be anonymous. But I give it a pass on the internet since no one really knows who you are for sure.
Giving with a name attached or doing it publicly diminishes the role you play in humanity. I don't ever want someone thinking they owe me thanks or payback.
You are giving for what I consider the wrong reasons, but what is my position but a personal opinion? Nothing more.
Personally, I don't do it for points, even though my motives are also selfish in part. I do it because it helps someone else, and by proxy, making someone else happy makes ME feel good too. I still consider that to be a somewhat selfish motive, but it is the natural mechanism of charity... at least I believe it is.
Again, opinion, but you should give when conscious (what I, personally, would call Gods directives) compels you to do so, and where you see a need.
Of the money and time I donate, 90% of it goes to immediate family who are in need. As much as I love my dog, people come first.
when it comes to issues with animals, more often than not, the humane solutions appear inhumane at the surface. It is unfortunate that animals have to suffer at the hands of humans, most especially unnecessarily as is usually the case.
But, that is the world I live in... you do too.
But will you go to hell? I don't think that's an answer for men to provide. If it's weighing on you, I think you already have your answer. That's how God speaks to most of us. I would opine that it is far better to be charitable for the wrong reasons than to not be charitable at all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:03 AM

5. Sarcasm never comes through on posts

I give to shriners because I care about crippled kids the way I care about animals, both are innocent and don't deserve their lot in life.

I was hoping to give people a laugh, but everyone seems to think I was serious.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:09 AM

7. Well unfortunately,

there are a lot of people who ARE like that.

There are way too many people that "give" just for points among their peers. Not pointing at you directly or anything, but thats the reason maybe some of us didn't pick up on the sarcasm.

Speaking for just myself, of course, when I post a response like that, I keep in mind not just the OP, but anyone else who will be reading it. My words are often not carefully chosen in order to reflect that either.

And yes, it is somewhat self-righteous. I recognize that

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 11:34 AM

13. So...you have

given me a whole new look into who you are underneath

and I like it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:09 AM

6. If there is such a place as Hell, I suspect most of us will be there. When gay marriage passed, I

stopped giving to all humans. I give to animals occasionally for the reasons you mentioned.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joefriday6 (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:45 AM

9. I actually believe we are in hell right now

The top level of it, with a chance to get out if we do enough of the right things in the here and now. Otherwise we get recycled back up the food chain, starting as a bacteria, then a plankton, then a worm, then a bird, etc etc etc.

To me reincarnation is a form of hell.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 11:02 AM

10. You could be right. When life's basic moral codes were broken the trip to hell began. We may be

firmly entrenched there now. We are past the ability to do right things here and now. Our domestic enemies on the Left have been joined by the Islamics who are agents of hell determined to dispose of us by any means possible from chopping our heads off to reproducing children at 8 per mother. It is all over but the shouting. The only bright side for us is that the final takeover won't occur for 60 years. And many know it is coming: This is why hardly any children except Islamics and one other are being born in the US or Europe. Someone like you knows stuff like this. Most do not. So, in short, in accordance with your statement: we are in hell now or are fast approaching it. And with mine: nothing can be done about it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to joefriday6 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 01:12 PM

15. It's always darkest before the dawn as well

I can only speak from personal experience, but I believe God takes everyone to a place where they have no one left to depend on but him. We all walk around with the "I did this, I did that, I only have myself to thank for what I have put together in this world", and there's a lot of truth to that, but it never gives thanks to the person who really had the most to do with it, God.

It is only when you are in a position where you have to ask for help from the very person you've been walking around giving the finger to because you have no other choice that the wall comes down and God reveals himself.

We as a nation are in that position, at some point the left are going to find out the enemy of their enemy is not their friend, they will have their heads cut off same as anyone else when they come strolling through Dearbornistan MI or somewhere else they have set up as an enclave of sharia, generations of welfare babies who never knew who their daddy was and are resentful of society will be lashing out.

On the one hand I am not looking forward to the next (hopefully) 30 years, if I go sooner thems the breaks, but I am wondering how an 80 yr old white guy will be getting along about then having been blamed for so many years for everything anyone can point to as a wrong in their life.

On the other hand I have faith in God, and his plan and not mine, because he can see the big picture whereas I cant. I have definatly found his plan is always better, even when it pisses me off at the time, and he knows that as well, I make no attempt to hide it. God will restore this country, he loves fixing broken things. He knows he's got a customer for life after that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 10:15 AM

8. You are in good shape

God spelled backwards is dog. Right now there are about 10 waiting at the rainbow bridge, getting ready to rush St Peter and lick him silly until he will let me in. Rescue dogs are the best.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 11:24 AM

11. If you're going to hell

then so am I.

My attitude toward animals is the exact same as yours. Animals are way better than so many people. I can read stories or see movies where a whole bunch of people die, but if there's an animal involved, even if it only gets hurt but not killed, my heart hurts so badly.

anyway...

Each year I contribute to Wolf Hollow in my state and adopt a wolf. I've had the same wolf/dog hybrid for the past six years.

Also, I give to a local police station to support their K9 unit, and was glad beyond measure when the Department was able to buy bulletproof vests for their K9s.

For humans, I give items to Goodwill or Salvation Army, or no longer used but still usable clothing or household items to the local transfer station for people to take for free. I've also been known to just give my stuff away to anyone I think might need it more than I do. So yeah...I can use that as a political argument too, and I'll see you in hell.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Squeek (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 01:25 PM

16. I might have to see about the local K9 unit, thats a good idea.

It was a sarcastic comment, I really started giving to shriners because I feel sorry for those kids the same way I do about animals, and the shriners put on the circus for them whereas Danny Thomas just wants your money.

It was a sarcastic comment it just occurred to me how that might sound to some people but I do stand by my comment that I care about animals more than I do most people. Animals are innocent, and don't deserve the treatment they get from us, whereas people tend to bring troubles upon themselves.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 11:27 AM

12. If you feed the starving kids to animals, isn't that a win/win?...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 01:27 PM

17. Isn't that part of the reason Ringling Bros had to quit operating the circus?

G-D cell phone cameras!!!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 01:44 PM

18. The good old circus days, the screams from the audience in the big top as the daring aerialists...

... performed, the screams from the food in the big cat enclosure as it was chased and dragged down from behind...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Frankenvoter (Original post)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 03:57 PM

19. Gee going to hell for trying balance out charitable giving

I do not think so. The world would be a much better place if your issue were the issue most people had. One of the wonderful things about our human flaws, selfishness in particular, is that when good people are selfish they tend to want to make themselves feel better by giving to others.

We are light and dark , sometimes even our generosity can seem flawed but it is what makes us both wonderful and terrible. The human condition is not perfection it is people doing the best they can some of them good some of them not. Even though i do not believe and therefore do not think you can be sent to hell I do know you can go to a hell of your own making if you question your own motivations to do good works too much.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ravenquills (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 14, 2017, 06:57 PM

20. It was semi-satirical

I got help from salvation army when I was homeless, I give to homeless people in the winter IF they have a beard, as well as look a little disheveld. If you were able to clean up somewhere you aint that homeless, your probably a heroin addict looking for fix money.

But I will always give them 5 or so, and tell them where SA and VOA (another place in town) are, I will also tell them they have to go to maryhaven first to detox and to tell them I said hi, I've been there 7 times that I remember. That was all free, so I know theres a place for people helping people even if it has to work through government, I just don't like seeing the abuses and believe the govt can work better without so much fat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Funfun