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Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:05 PM

It's week 5 and we've picked our puppy!

Three weeks to go to pick him up!

Prepare yourself for a cuteness EXPLOSION!


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Reply It's week 5 and we've picked our puppy! (Original post)
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 OP
Gunslinger201 Jul 2019 #1
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #2
Gunslinger201 Jul 2019 #5
JaimeBondoJr Jul 2019 #3
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #4
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #8
JaimeBondoJr Jul 2019 #15
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #16
Muddling Through Jul 2019 #6
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #7
bernt-toast Jul 2019 #11
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #13
bernt-toast Aug 2019 #17
Currentsitguy Aug 2019 #18
bernt-toast Aug 2019 #19
KittyCatIdiots Jul 2019 #9
Grumpy Pickle Jul 2019 #10
bernt-toast Jul 2019 #12
Currentsitguy Jul 2019 #14

Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:46 PM

1. Name yet? (Or is it in his Pedigree?)

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:51 PM

2. I've always been of the opinion that you have to see them and watch

They'll name themselves.

We do have an AKC name, though.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 01:30 PM

5. We had friends with a Golden Retriever named Molly

And one day in conversation they told us her AKC name was “Missouri’s Sunshine Molly”

A bit of a mouthful but a pleasant name for a pleasant dog!


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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:52 PM

3. Extreme jealousy on this end.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 01:04 PM

4. He's going to end up being the most spoiled Keeshond in history!

It's important to have a dog in your life.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 02:02 PM

8. I'll be sure to shoot some video and post it.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 07:23 PM

15. Teach him well. I know I don't need to say that but I say it anyway.

And on the video front, we want clips worthy of America's Funnies Home Videos.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:15 PM

16. The breed's need for people can move into the realm of creepy at times

They will squeeze next to you in bed or on the couch so much you swear they want to merge. They are one of the few breeds I know of that is NOT primarily food driven. They will forgo food for affection every time.

If you maintained 24/7 scratches, they'd willingly starve to death rather then go to the food bowl they are that devoted to their people.

It's a good and bad thing. I love their devotion. They are so full of love it can be overwhelming. At the same time they can be very prone to separation anxiety. We are really hoping he bonds with the cats so he has friends when we are gone.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 01:40 PM

6. That's a cutie!

I've always been more of a "Heinz 57" man myself; but others do prefer purebreds.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 02:02 PM

7. I just like these guys

The personality characteristics of the breed make them really good companion dogs. They are highly intelligent, utter clowns, with a crazy streak a mile wide. Behaviorally they basically never outgrow puppyhood.

Plus they are absolutely beautiful as adults.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 02:56 PM

11. I love heinz 57s, but with a purebred you have a better idea of what you're getting

All known in advance: Gracie will end up approximately 60 pounds. Guaranteed to love swimming and people. Excellent house manners. Rough and tumble in play. May settle down around age 2....or be a perennial puppy. Her mother and breeding (American type vs English) suggest perennial puppy.

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Response to bernt-toast (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 03:35 PM

13. I have genetic testing going back generations.

I get too emotionally invested in my dog to have to suffer premature heartbreak.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:37 AM

17. understandable. Gracie's family had lots of hip and elbow testing

The only genetic testing I made notes for was for EIC, all clears. She could be a carrier, but clearly doesn't have it. Also a number of CERFs, all normal. I have meant to go back and look too see if other testing was done. But it's a done deal now.

Her sire has 6 field titles within 2 generations; 5 of them championships, 1 sr hunter. The 3rd generation may also be loaded with champions, since 2 of his great grandsires had well over 100 offspring in the OFA database (where a handful of "fairs" turned up) and 1 of the great granddams had 39 offspring all with good or excellent hips. Her entire sire line except 1 granddam has 5 generations of hip testing, all excellent and good including siblings and offspring back to where they didn't rate them beyond normal.

Other than her tail female line, the dam side going back 4 or 5 generations is also all excellent and good. The tail female line is the only question mark. Few up here seem to check female lines except the large kennel her breeder used for sires. There dogs probably were genetically clear by lineage, since although they mainly produced pets and hunter companions, they have also produced disability service and police/military labs for scent detection.

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Response to bernt-toast (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:07 PM

18. I think the other advantage I have

Is the breeder just recently imported the bitch from Russia for a little more genetic diversity. Although rare breeds generally don't suffer from as much inbreeding, more diversity is never a bad thing.

He's been tested for:
Canine Primary Hyperparathyroidism
Canine Hip Dysplasia
The Canine Eye Registration Foundation
Patellar Luxation
Congenital Cardiac Disease

And he's registered with the Canine Health Information Center

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:26 PM

19. different breeds have different potential genetic weaknesses...

For labs, it's exercise induced collapse (eic), pra (progressive retinal atrophy) and cardiomyopathy.

For labs ,although hip dysplasia gets more attention than degenerative joint disease of elbows, I've read that elbows are more frequently a problem.

I did a tiny bit of research on dna and hip dysplasia and felt that it's not yet reliable. Too many genes contributing. Furthermore, with diseases of that type, there are a number of non-dna possible causes, including diet and trauma.

For hips, I'd like to see more focus on Pennhip testing, which is much more predictive than OFA testing, and which gives reliable results as early as 4 months instead of having to wait 2 years.

On genetic diversity, tbh, I think rarity leads to less genetic diversity, not more, since there are fewer lines to cross into. Importing one parent or another is a sure way to help make up for that.

Gracie's father is from Texas. With local breeding being so very local up here, he actually could practically count as an "import"

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Mon Jul 29, 2019, 02:25 PM

10. Beautiful little guy !

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 02:56 PM

12. you picked him? or he picked you?

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Response to bernt-toast (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 03:41 PM

14. Actually neither.

I was last in line with the breeder for this litter. Really all anyone had to go by was a photo, since we're all coming from all over the country. Four boys and one girl.

I'm under the impression we are the only people NOT flying in. It's going to be a long 1300 mile round trip.

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