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Sorry gun control started well before that.

Gun Control and the Old West
Pioneer publications show Old West leaders repeatedly arguing in favor of gun control. City leaders in the old cattle towns knew from experience what some Americans today don't want to believe: a town which allows easy access to guns invites trouble.
What these cow town leaders saw intimately in their day-to-day association with guns is that more guns in more places caused not greater safety, but greater death in an already dangerous wilderness. By the 1880s many in the west were fed up with gun violence. Gun control, they contended, was absolutely essential, and the remedy advocated usually was usually no less than a total ban on pistol-packing.
The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884, called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous practice,” not only to others, but to the packer himself. He emphasized his point with the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol."
The editor of the Montana’s Yellowstone Journal acknowledged four years earlier that Americans have "the right to bear arms," but he contended that guns have to be regulated. As for cowboys carrying pistols, a dispatch from Laramie’s Northwest Stock Journal in 1884, reported, "We see many cowboys fitting up for the spring and summer work. They all seem to think it absolutely necessary to have a revolver. Of all foolish notions this is the most absurd."

Cowboy president Theodore Roosevelt recalled with approval that as a Dakota Territory ranch owner, his town, at the least, allowed "no shooting in the streets." The editor of that town's newspaper, The Bad Lands Cow Boy of Medora, demanded that gun control be even tighter than that, however. Like leaders in Miles City and many other cow towns, he wanted to see guns banned entirely within the city limits. A.T. Packard in August 1885 called "packing a gun" a "senseless custom," and noted about a month later that "As a protection, it is terribly useless.”
https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~rcollins/scholarship/guns.html

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?
After a decision by the Supreme Court affirming the right of individuals to own guns, then-Chicago Mayor Richard Daley sarcastically said, "Then why don't we do away with the court system and go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets?" This is a common refrain heard in the gun debate. Gun control advocates fear -- and gun rights proponents sometimes hope -- the Second Amendment will transform our cities into modern-day versions of Dodge.

Yet this is all based on a widely shared misunderstanding of the Wild West. Frontier towns -- places like Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge -- actually had the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation.

In fact, many of those same cities have far less burdensome gun control today then they did back in the 1800s.

Guns were obviously widespread on the frontier. Out in the untamed wilderness, you needed a gun to be safe from bandits, natives, and wildlife. In the cities and towns of the West, however, the law often prohibited people from toting their guns around. A visitor arriving in Wichita, Kansas in 1873, the heart of the Wild West era, would have seen signs declaring, "Leave Your Revolvers At Police Headquarters, and Get a Check."

A check? That's right. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you'd check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/did-the-wild-west-have-mo_b_956035.html

De-mythologizing the Wild West: gun laws were actually stricter then than now
The irony ... is that Tombstone lawmakers in the 1880s did more to combat gun violence than the Arizona government does today.
For all the talk of the “Wild West,” the policymakers of 1880 Tombstone—and many other Western towns—were ardent supporters of gun control. When people now compare things to the “shootout at the OK Corral,” they mean vigilante violence by gunfire. But this is exactly what the Tombstone town council had been trying to avoid.

In late 1880, as regional violence ratcheted up, Tombstone strengthened its existing ban on concealed weapons to outlaw the carrying of any deadly weapons within the town limits. The Earps (who were Republicans) and Doc Holliday maintained that they were acting as law officers—not citizen vigilantes—when they shot their opponents. That is to say, they were sworn officers whose jobs included enforcement of Tombstone’s gun laws.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112703/-De-mythologizing-the-Wild-West-gun-laws-were-actually-stricter-then-than-now

And so on.

"My Way" would be to get the guns out of the hands of those that should not behaving them.

Why do so may here think they would lose their guns if reasonable gun regulation were to be enacted?
It is sounding more and more like they think there are in, or might be in, the group that should not be having them. And many would be absolutely correct. Mass shooting and killing of innocents would plummet if we had common sense gun regulations in this country.
Who should not be having guns? The immature, from 2 year olds, to those "adults" without sufficient mental maturity to safely handle guns around others . Those with mental problems, or being unstable, that might lead them to harm themselves, and/or others. People that are paranoid enough to think they need a gun to be in public anywhere, including just going out to the mail box. That alone should disqualify people from have any guns right there, and put a big drop in senseless gun cause deaths.

What is with the fascination of some people with LEO's killing/abusing people?

As long as the 'perp' dies at the hands of the law, no matter the circumstances, some here are happy.
A person jay-walking, cop unloads his gun into the jay-walker. Yea cop.
An unarmed man, suspected of nothing, runs away and cop unloads his gun into man's back. Yea cop.
A man known to sell 'loosies' is just standing there, not resisting. 5 cops take him down and strangle him. Yea cop.
A cop pulls his gun on a group of unarmed teenagers. His partners intervene and get him to holster it before he shoots anyone. Excuses are made because cop feared for his life. Never mind the video showing otherwise. The same cop throws a 14 year old girl, wearing only a bikini, to the ground and with his knee in her back, handcuffs her. Her crime? Trying to leave when told to. Yea cop.
A cop car rolls up to with in feet of a 12 year old boy with an air-soft gun, in a public park and with in seconds, shoot and kill the boy. Excuses are made for the cop. Yea cop.

And on and on and on...

The gun laws and the gun possession laws in this country, need to be tightened up a whole lot.

This incident is just more proof the nation's gun laws are too lax. How many mass shooting are we going to put up with?
Sandy Hook wasn't enough to do anything? A classroom full of 6 year olds murdered and we are told by the gunners to get over it, because 2nd Amendment? A measly church massacre is not going to do much either then.
What will it take to do what needs to be done?

Read the comments.

Things change and the more things change, the faster things change. To teach the kids Python because it is currently popular, is doing the kids a disservice. Like teaching Basic in the the 1980's. Most people don't have the aptitude to properly code in the first place, let alone being able to apply the lessons learned to other things.
That is like teaching the kids keyboarding because all computer have keyboards and everyone will have to use them.
Maybe at one time, but how many people need to touch type 30 words a minute now? All they did was replace typewriters with computers. The two finger method works just fine for many people, even those with computer centric, living wage jobs... Whether they took typing or not.
How much typing do people do on their fondle slab or smart phone? A few words/names - sometimes.
In the future, can see classes in proper pronunciation and syntax, so the computers can better understand when we talk to them. Part of the same misunderstanding on teaching the kids what they need to know to function as adults.
Teach the kids comprehension, understanding. Teach the kids critical thinking. Teach the kids logic. But we don't want to do that because our owners will lose control of us, and that will cut into their profits.

Not so odd Brownback was reelected.

His Secretary of State is also the head of the Republican party in Kansas and in charge of enforcing the voting laws in Kansas.
The candidate most people voted for, never had a chance.
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