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Then why do I keep reading right here on DI about any regulations concerning gun control, being a

the start on a slippery slope to gun confiscation?
That is the reasoning used for being against fixing the law to help keep gun away from people that should not be having them in the first place.
The paranoia alone of some people about this, should be enough reason to remove their guns. Why are they so paranoid? Why are things so black and white for them? Few weapons regulations verses no guns at all. Nothing in between.
You say the flood of guns are here to stay, others think tightening the laws any, would make this country a gun free country.
Never mind it would be logical that the future is going to be somewhere in between. But something does have to be done to stop the senseless slaughter of innocent people with tools designed from the ground up, to kill and maim.

Since you have it all figured out, why don't you

run for Dictator President and straighten this country out?
Between you, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, it should only take a month or so.
Mandating that guns be allowed in all State Legislator sessions, would help a lot with this, don't you think? Forbidding guns in our government functions, is a violation of everyone's Constitutional Rights, correct? After all, "We the people..." and all that.

Basically anything the gunners are against.

http://www.discussionist.com/1015503505
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=499118
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=497455
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=496905
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=86930
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=80146
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=322016
http://www.discussionist.com/101472212
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=253505
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=27602

License any person that wants a firearm. A mandatory 30 day background check on any first time weapons buyer.
Out on bail, charges pending or a felony conviction less than 10 years old, are reason not to issue
Each firearm needs its own separate permit.
ALL firearm sales need to go through a federally licensed firearms dealer, who will do a legal background check on each buyer.
No private sales without going through a federally licensed firearms dealer, who will do a legal background check.
No 'shall issue' for any weapon, for any reason.
You need a good reason, if you wish to carry in public. 'cause I wanta" is not good enough. Simple Paranoia is a reason not to issue.
Any guns used in crimes will cause a knock on the owner of record's door, unless the gun is reported stolen. This will cut down on straw sales and lending of guns to people that should not be having them in the first place. Which in turn will lower the crime rate and save lives.
Anyone caught with a weapon in public without the proper registration, of either themselves or of the weapon(s), will be charged with a felony. This could result in the loss of all weapons, of fines, of prison time, or some combination of all three.

Not quite the same thing.

We were at war with Germany then.
Now we are at war with a concept, an idea. There are no borders. There are no uniforms. The enemy is who we say they are. The enemy is where we say they are.
Instead of helping people, as we should be, we are randomly blow them up and then wondering why we are so hated in certain parts of the world. Parts of the world where we should not be in the first place.
George Walker Bush, i.e., Cheney, and his neocons created ISIS by disbanding Saddam's Republican Guard and leaving them with no jobs and with their weapons intact. They are now gaining a toe hold in this country. Unless we find another way to do things, the terrorism in this country will keep getting worse.
The more people we kill in the name of terrorism the more we are helping ISIS to get stronger, which we then use as an excuse to kill more terrorists.

What I don't understand is the gunners, "An armed society is a polite society".

So why doesn't that reasoning carry over to countries and "a nuclear armed world is a polite world"? There is a real disconnect there.
And no, I am not advocating for every, or any country to go nuclear (bomb), any more than I would advocate for an armed society, for the exact same reason.
An armed society is not a polite society. We can read about and see the proof, on the news every day, that that is most assuredly not the case.

There was little to no substance from the gunners to control firearms.

Nothing to do anything about the people being shot down in there homes, schools, malls. Nothing in the way of keeping guns from those people that should not be having them in the first place. You ignore, spin, and just make up your own facts because you guns are more important to you than the lives of the innocents being needlessly killed with guns in this country by people that should not have them in the first place.
In fact there is no real empathy for those killed, whether they are a classroom of children, a 6 year old coming out of a 7-11, a baby sleeping in his crib, or a 11 year old running to the back of the house because of bullets coming in through the front walls of the house. Your guns are always more important to you than stopping the illegal use of firearms.

Anything put forward to control the illegal use of firearms by criminals, children, toddlers, mental cases, felons, or anyone else that should not have them, by using them in an illegal manner, is immediately countered by your false 'absolute 2nd Amendment Right'. And/or some paranoid slippery slope BS about how they are coming to take your guns too. The only reason you need to worry about anyone taking your guns is if your fit the first sentence in this paragraph.

But I do know it.

A house with 20, count them, 20 bullet holes in it, fired from the sidewalk.
Two women shot outside their home in Kansas City this past week.
A 22 year old woman, a mother of a two year old, found shot to death in her car.
All with in the last week or so in just Kansas City. This is only a partial list. No one seems to know who or why they did it. Never mind the gun related deaths in rest of the country.

This country is awash in guns of all kinds, with very little regulations regarding who may have them.
For those that are afraid they may lose their guns, if proper gun regulation were to be adopted, maybe you are one of those that should not be having those guns in the first place.
What are you afraid of? Responsible gun owners should not be afraid of regulations that help keep gun out of the hands of those that are not so responsible. And the not responsible includes both the criminals, and those who sell them guns.
Most criminals get their guns from the 'good guys', either by stealing them, or who those who buy them legally and then turn around and sell to the criminals, because they think the 2nd Amendment means absolute gun freedom... Those are some of the people that say they need their gun(s) because of the criminals with guns. "Everbody needs a gun so they can shoot it out with the bad guys with guns in public places." Nice con going on there.
Too bad so many people are getting shot and killed in the cross fire, but your guns are more important to you than innocent men, women and children dying in a hail of bullets.

The NRA doesn’t speak for me


The NRA doesn’t speak for me

David Fellerath

WashingtonPost.com

I’m a gun owner and a hunter, “but I hate the NRA,” said David Fellerath. Every time some angry and deranged person shoots up a school, a shopping mall, or a church, the National Rifle Association trots out the same “obscene” response: If only the victims had owned guns, they could have shot back at the shooter. In the NRA’s warped vision of America, we should all carry a loaded gun at the ready wherever we go, so we can engage in Wild West shoot-outs with armed-to-the-teeth bad guys. “Where is the concern for people who want to live without fear of guns entering their lives?” There is none; the NRA wants deadly weapons everywhere. It’s true that no law can eliminate all gun violence, but “gun ownership should be a privilege earned after thorough examination and training, like driving a car.” A licensing process would screen out at least some of the unfit people seeking to purchase weapons. Is reform possible? Yes, if Americans finally demand common-sense gun laws. Remember: No one ever thought the South would take down its Confederate flags.
http://m.theweek.com/print/727/35599/nra-doesnt-speak

From 'The Week' July 10,2015. Volume 15, issue 727 Page 12

Guns Don't Deter Crime, Study Finds

A high-profile shooting, like the June 17 crime that left dead nine members of a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, is typically followed by calls for greater gun control, along with counter arguments that the best way to stop gun crimes is with more guns.

"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.

A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.

"We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime," said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. "Instead, we found the opposite."

More guns, more gun crime

http://news.yahoo.com/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds-180710261.html#

To Apply for a Concealed Carry Permit . (They have not issued one in years)

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/hawaii.pdf

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_hi.htm

Hawaii being rather isolated, can and do enforce these regulations.
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