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In my opinion, a woman is safer being able to protect themselves with a gun than they would be

without one. This woman with a gun proves my point. But if she hadn't had a gun to protect herself, probably not much could have happened to her in the 23 minutes it took for the authorities to arrive.

Some here would prefer she, and other women, not have this ability to protect themselves. I don't get that kind of thought.

JUNCTION CITY, Ore. — Lisa Atkin said it was a long 23 minutes after she stopped an intruder at gunpoint after he broke into her home Wednesday morning. Now she’s spreading the message about how firearm training helped her stop a burglary.
Normally Atkin wouldn’t be home on a Wednesday morning. “I’m home sick from work today and I was resting in bed,” said Atkin.
Around 9:00 a.m. her three labs started making a commotion. “My thought was they were fooling around being the puppy Labradors that they are. But as it got louder obviously that wasn’t the case,” said Atkin.
So she got up to figure out what was going on. “As the noise came more in the house I decided I needed to get my handgun from my nightstand and proceed cautiously through the house,” said Atkin.
That’s when she found Joseph Baker inside her home. “So that’s when I took the gun from its holster and commanded the person to stay still and get down on the floor and asked him what he was doing in my home,” said Atkin.
While the no trespassing signs, security system, and dogs didn’t stop Baker from breaking through two doors to get into the house, Atkin’s extensive firearm training stopped the burglary. “We’ve been through the Oregon Firearms Academy courses so we were trained to deal with these kinds of situations,” said Atkin.
While she never thought she would use this training at home, she’s hopeful other women can learn from her experience. “Twenty three minutes is a long time and while most people in town wouldn’t have to wait that long for a response, it was an incredibly quick response for where we live. Without that training the outcomes could’ve been a little different so I’m blessed to be here today,” said Atkin.
Baker is lodged in the Lane County Jail facing charges of burglary, resisting arrest, menacing, and criminal mischief.

The majority of slaves to the New World were actually white. How did the Irish

learn to move past their slavery roots in America? How did they learn to prosper so well in this country given the way they were sold as cattle, and treated so unfairly? How come when I disagree with an Irish persons point of view, they don't call me a racist?

In his article, John Martin writes “The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70 percent of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.”

“Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.”

Martin writes how at the hands of the British, the Irish population plummeted due to the slave trade of the 17th century.

“During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.”

Martin goes on to explain that for some reason, the Irish slaves are often remembered as ‘indentured servants.’ However, in most cases during the 17th and 18th centuries, they were no more than “human cattle.”

“...the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period,” writes Martin. “It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.”

During the late 1600s, writes Martin, African slaves were far more expensive than their Irish counterparts - Africans would sell for around 50 sterling while Irish were often no more than 5 sterling.

About 10 people a day die from pool violence. When will the regulations finally

be reinterpreted so these killing machines aren't so easy for just anyone to obtain?

Unintentional Drowning: Get the Facts

Every day, about ten people die from unintentional drowning. Of these, two are children aged 14 or younger. Drowning ranks fifth among the leading causes of unintentional injury death in the United States.1

How big is the problem?
From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2
About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger.2 For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.1
More than 50% of drowning victims treated in emergency departments (EDs) require hospitalization or transfer for further care (compared with a hospitalization rate of about 6% for all unintentional injuries).1,2 These nonfatal drowning injuries can cause severe brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities such as memory problems, learning disabilities, and permanent loss of basic functioning (e.g., permanent vegetative state).3,4

One brown person gets killed by police in Missouri, the libs throw a fit. 0 kills 99 brown children

In Pakistan, the libs are crickets. Why might that be? I guess brown children killed by a D is a-ok.

Here's a List of 700 (Out of At Least 2,300) People Killed in U.S. Drone Strikes in Pakistan
Ed Krayewski|Jul. 31, 2014 11:31 am

The Bureau of Investigative Justice (BIJ) has compiled a list of more than 700 names of people killed in U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan—representing less than a third of known casualties. The BIJ says 323 of those names are of civilians and classifies each victim as a "reported civilian" or "alleged militant," based on interviews conducted in Pakistan and combing through media reports and Pakistani government documents. Of the 323 "reported civilians," 99 are children.

How come we heard so much gnashing of lib teeth when Bush ordered drone strikes, but

now that 0 orders the killing of brown people many times more than Bush, the left is silent? I guess when 0 kills brown children it's ok.

Obama has killed thousands with drones, so can the Nobel committee have their Peace Prize back?
By Tim Stanley US politics Last updated: October 10th

And the award for the most undeserved award ever goes to…
Tomorrow we hear who has won this year's Nobel Peace Prize. Of course, most of the previous recipients have been deserving. Some less so. When Henry Kissinger was awarded it in 1973, Tom Lehrer quipped that the prize, "made political satire obsolete."

The same could be said about the award that went to Barack Obama in 2009. It summed up his whole political career – celebrated before he'd actually done anything, the jar into which millions of liberals poured their dreams, and, most importantly, an utter disappointment when in office. Barack Obama deserves a peace prize in the way that Pat Robertson deserves the trophy for Mr Gay USA 2013. Consider the evidence:

- Far from ending the adventurism of his predecessor, Barack Obama surged troop numbers in Afghanistan, bombed Libya and was only prevented from going into Syria by public opposition to the sheer insanity of the idea.

- Under his watchful gaze the Middle East is arguably less stable today than when his presidency started. There is civil war in Syria, a kidnapped prime minister in Libya, revolution in Egypt. It's been a particularly hard few years for the remaining Christians.

- He's engaged in a drone strike campaign that would make Bush blush.
George W Bush conducted 45 drone strikes as President, killing 477. Barack Obama conducted 316 drone strikes, killing 2,363. These figures are from the New America Foundation – and the total dead is probably an underestimate. The Foundation says that the number killed could be as high as 3,404 including 307 civilian men women and children. One leaked document suggested that drones had killed 94 kids in 3 years. Interestingly, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham – a big supporter of drone strikes – recently said that the total dead could be 4,700. To put that into perspective, 3,527 Americans died fighting in Iraq.

Given that record, it's time to ask – could the Nobel committee have their Peace Prize back?

I'll bet even 0 being elected president is Bush's Fault!!!

President Obama’s Hall of Blame
by KEITH KOFFLER on MARCH 23, 2012, 9:18 AM
President Obama has passed the buck to others – mainly George W. Bush – for no less than 13 problems that characterize his presidency, suggesting time and again that his own policies are not to blame for his difficulties and he is simply doing the best that can be done with the cards he was dealt.

Even so, Obama is aggressively staking a claim for successes for which Bush shares significant or nearly all responsibility, including increased drilling for oil and natural gas, the end of the Iraq War, and the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

What follows is a roster of Obama’s efforts to assign blame for 13 problems that prevail or have faced him during his presidency. In several cases, the quotes here are just one or two of many that show Obama passing the buck on a particular issue.

Oil Prices

“The key thing that is driving higher gas prices is actually the world’s oil markets and uncertainty about what’s going on in Iran and the Middle East, and that’s adding a $20 or $30 premium to oil prices.”

- March 23, 2012


“Obviously, we wish Solyndra hadn’t gone bankrupt. Part of the reason they did was because the Chinese were subsidizing their solar industry and flooding the market in ways that Solyndra couldn’t compete. But understand, this was not our program per se. Congress–Democrats and Republicans–put together a loan guarantee program.”

- March 22, 2012


“When I came into office there has been drift in the Afghanistan strategy, in part because we had spent a lot of time focusing on Iraq instead. Over the last three years we have refocused attention on getting Afghanistan right. Would my preference had been that we started some of that earlier? Absolutely. But that’s not the cards that were dealt. We’re now in a position where, given our starting point, we’re making progress.”

- March 14, 2012


“When I took office, the efforts to apply pressure on Iran were in tatters. Iran had gone from zero centrifuges spinning to thousands, without facing broad pushback from the world. In the region, Iran was ascendant.”

- March 4, 2012

The Economy

“We’ve made sure to do everything we can to dig ourselves out of this incredible hole that I inherited.”

- February 23, 2012

The Deficit:

“We thought that it was entirely appropriate for our governments and our agencies to try to root out waste, large and small, in a systematic way. Obviously, this is even more important given the deficits that we’ve inherited and that have grown as a consequence of this recession.”

- November 9, 2011

“When I first walked through the door, the deficit stood at $1.3 trillion, with projected deficits of $8 trillion over the next decade. If we had taken office during ordinary times, we would have started bringing down these deficits immediately.”

- February 1, 2010

The Debt:

“Look, we do have a serious problem in terms of debt and deficit, and much of it I inherited when I showed up.”

- August 8, 2011

“I inherited a big debt.”

- March 29, 2011


“We inherited the worst recession since the Great Depression, a banking system on the verge of meltdown. We had lost 4 million jobs by the time I was sworn in and would then lose another 4 million in the few months right after I was sworn in before our economic policies had a chance to take root.”

- May 10, 2011

The BP Gulf Oil Spill

“In this instance, the oil industry’s cozy and sometimes corrupt relationship with government regulators meant little or no regulation at all. When Secretary Salazar took office, he found a Minerals and Management Service that had been plagued by corruption for years –- this was the agency charged with not only providing permits, but also enforcing laws governing oil drilling.”

- May 27, 2010

Decline of the nuclear stockpile

“Among the many challenges our administration inherited was the slow but steady decline in support for our nuclear stockpile and infrastructure, and for our highly trained nuclear work force.” (This one was offered up on Obama’s behalf by Vice President Biden).

- January 29, 2010

The Election of Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.)

“The same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office. People are angry, and they’re frustrated. Not just because of what’s happened in the last year or two years, but what’s happened over the last eight years.”

- January 20, 2010


“I took office at a time when many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust. Part of this was due to misperceptions and misinformation about my country. Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. And this has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for collective inaction.”

- September 23, 2009

The Financial Crisis

“We inherited a financial crisis unlike any that we’ve seen in our time. This crisis crippled private capital markets and forced us to take steps in our financial system — and with our auto companies — that we would not have otherwise even considered.”

One can not waste water. If you dump water down the drain, it simply recycles itself

back to usable water. I've never wasted a single drop of water in my entire life. When my well pump sucks water out of the ground on the west side of my house, my drain pipes return it to the ground on the east side of my house.

When I wash my truck, yes I own a dreaded gas sucking truck, the water sprays from my hose cleaning my truck and runs across my concrete drive and returns to the ground. Not one drop wasted. I ignore water restriction rules. They're useless. They don't apply to business and farms, so they don't apply to me.

There is no water shortage. There can never be a water shortage. It's not possible. If where you live is short on water, it's because of nature. You live in a desert. Move to where the water is if you don't like it.

The water shortage myth.

Benjamin Radford | June 23, 2008 03:01am

The global demand for water has tripled over the last 50 years, while water tables are falling in many of the world's most populated countries, including the United States, China, and India.
Many of the world's great rivers are a fraction of the size they once were, and some have dried up completely.
Earth's lakes are vanishing at an alarming rate; the Aral Sea, for example, is less than a quarter its original size. Nevada's Lake Mead is half its original capacity; a recent study concluded that there is a 50/50 chance that the lake will be gone in less than fifteen years.
It's true that there is cause for alarm, but to understand the problem people need to read behind the headlines to understand one little fact: There is no water shortage.

Our planet is not running out of water, nor is it losing water. There's about 360 quintillion gallons of water on the planet, and it's not going anywhere except in a circle. Earth's hydrologic cycle is a closed system, and the process is as old as time: evaporation, condensation, precipitation, infiltration, and so on. In fact, there is probably more liquid water on Earth than there was just a few decades ago, due in part to global warming and melting polar ice caps.

The problems

No, there is plenty of water. The problem is that the vast majority of Earth's water is contained in the oceans as saltwater, and must be desalinated before it can be used for drinking or farming.

Large-scale desalination can be done, but it is expensive.

But nor is the world running out of freshwater, either. There's plenty of freshwater on our blue globe; it is not raining any less these days than it did millennia ago. As with any other resource, there are of course regional shortages, and they are getting worse. But the real problems are availability and transport; moving the freshwater from where it is plentiful (such as Canada, South America, and Russia) to where it is scarce (such as the Middle East, India, and Africa). Water is heavy and costly to transport, and those who can afford it will always have water.

Water, not global warming, is likely to be the greatest environmental challenge facing the world in the coming decades and centuries.

To find solutions, it's important to understand the problem. Water is never really "wasted." It simply moves from one place to another. If you let your faucet drip all day, that's clean water going back into the system, the water isn't "lost." What is lost is usefulness, money, and energy, because it takes energy to purify and distribute the water.

The IRS should have went out and bought 342 lottery tickets.

Does anyone really believe the IRS line that their hard drives crashed at the same time? I don't buy it. This weak excuse furthers the distrust most people have with the Government.

What Are The Odds of 7 Hard Drives Crashing in the Same Month Like the IRS is Claiming?

By Steve Straub On July 10, 2014

The odds of winning the Florida lottery are 1 in 22,957,480.

The odds of winning the Powerball is 1 in 175,223,510.

The odds of winning Mega Millions is 1 in 258,890,850.

The odds of a disk drive failing in any given month are roughly one in 36. The odds of two different drives failing in the same month are roughly one in 36 squared, or 1 in about 1,300. The odds of three drives failing in the same month is 36 cubed or 1 in 46,656.

The odds of seven different drives failing in the same month (like what happened at the IRS when they received a letter asking about emails targeting conservative and pro Israeli groups) is 37 to the 7th power = 1 in 78,664,164,096. (that’s over 78 Billion) In other words, the odds are greater that you will win the Florida Lottery 342 times than having those seven IRS hard drives crashing in the same month.

It also doesn’t even mention the fact that these hard drives crashed right after people were demanding to see the emails, making the odds that much more crazy.

What do you think of the fact that you’re 342 times more likely to win the lottery than all 7 hard drives of the people under investigation crashing at the same time?

In my not so humble opinion, Discussionist has an illness. A sickness that is creeping

into discussions where heated opinions will most definitely differ. It's similar to a cancer that needs immediate treatment.

In the early days, the site was great. Lots of differing opinions without the constant cowardly alerts. I believe the easily offended at another site have migrated to Discussionist because their site has become one sided and boring. But the alert trolls made their site as it currently exists. They have ruined it. No differing opinions or thoughts are tolerated.

So, they came here. For a better debate or discussion? Maybe, but once they hear an opinion they disagree with, they alert, alert, alert. Then they stalk a particular poster until they get them a time out. They are slowly and methodically turning Discussionist into the site they ruined. They can't help themselves. It's what they do.

They're so afraid to read a differing opinion, they must alert, stalk, alert, slalk, alert. Like I said above, they are nothing but shivering little cowards.

The cancer needs an immediate treatment. The admins know who the serial alert trolls are. They need to put a stop to it if they want this site to succeed. In my opinion, anyone who alerts more than once a month is contributing to this cancer. If you're so easily butt hurt, go somewhere else, like middle school.

It's fairly easy to remedy. The admins could enforce a rule that no single little coward could alert more than once a week. Once the coward alerts, they lose alert privilege for 7 days. Those who can debate, do so. Those who can't debate alert, alert, alert.

I'm not so sure one of the admins here wants to remedy this alert troll problem. I've noticed some very one sided stalking going on.

Once all of the folks on the right have been chased off, what will you be left with? I'll tell you what, the cowardly alert trolls and stalkers you all came here to get away from.

Now, go ahead and ALERT, ALERT, ALERT. I really don't give a damn.

How are all those anti-business lib regulations working out for ya?

You blue states force businesses out, we'll take them all. Keep if up, morans.

Office Depot's HQ move could cost 1,600 Illinois jobs

OfficeMax's headquarters at 263 Shuman Blvd. in Naperville. The suburban Chicago site lost out when newly merged Office Depot opted instead to locate the head office in Florida.
Photo: CoStar Group Inc.

By Brigid Sweeney December 10, 2013
Office Depot Inc.'s decision to base itself in Boca Raton, Fla., instead of Naperville, where predecessor entity OfficeMax Inc. had its headquarters, puts some 1,600 west suburban jobs at risk.
The timing of the move remains uncertain, but Naperville city officials noted that the office supply retailer, created by the merger of OfficeMax Inc. and Office Depot Inc.last month, has two and a half years left on its lease of its 344,000-square-foot former HQ. An Office Depot spokeswoman declined to comment on how many people ultimately will be let go.
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