Politicsobamacampaignpromises

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:44 PM

Why did President Obama break this promise?

I voted for President Obama in 2008. I, like many Americans, was ready for a change. What I received, however, was far from it. The renewal of the Patriot Act and the increase in NSA surveillance were two of a number of reasons I didn't vote for him again in 2012. This was something he promised to fix, something that was relatively easy to fix, yet he continued and expanded the policies of the previous administration in this regard.

When President Obama was running in 2008, I copied all of his policy positions (in .pdf format) to my laptop. I was cleaning out some files today and ran across them. After reading a few, I decided to post some excerpts here to show his promises stacked up against the reality of his presidency.

I'm going to start with Homeland Security:


BARACK OBAMA: STRENGTHENING HOMELAND SECURITY
(From 2008 campaign website)

“We are here to do the work that ensures no other family members have to lose a loved one to a terrorist who turns a plane into a missile, a terrorist who straps a bomb around her waist and climbs aboard a bus, a terrorist who figures out how to set off a dirty bomb in one of our cities. This is why we are here: to make our country safer and make sure the nearly 3,000 who were taken from us did not die in vain; that their legacy will be a more safe and secure Nation.” - Speech On U.S. Senate Floor, 3/6/07

Revise the PATRIOT Act: Barack Obama believes that we must provide law enforcement the tools it needs to investigate, disrupt, and capture terrorists, but he also believes we need real oversight to avoid jeopardizing the rights and ideals of all Americans. There is no reason we cannot fight terrorism while maintaining our civil liberties. Unfortunately, the current administration has abused the powers given to it by the USA PATRIOT Act. A March 2007 Justice Department audit found the FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information about American citizens. As president, Barack Obama would revisit the PATRIOT Act to ensure that there is real and robust oversight of tools like National Security Letters, sneak-and-peek searches, and the use of the material witness provision.

Strengthen Warrantless Wiretap Approval Process: Barack Obama opposed the Bush Administration’s initial policy on warrantless wiretaps because it crossed the line between protecting our national security and eroding the civil liberties of American citizens. As president, Obama would update the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to provide greater oversight and accountability to the congressional Intelligence Committees to prevent future threats to the rule of law.

Restore Habeas Corpus: The right of habeas corpus allows prisoners to ask a court to determine whether they are being lawfully imprisoned. Recently, this right has been denied to those deemed enemy combatants. Barack Obama strongly supports the bipartisan efforts to restore habeas rights. He firmly believes that those who pose a danger to this country should be swiftly tried and brought to justice, but those who do not should have sufficient due process to ensure that we are not wrongfully denying them their liberty.

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Reply Why did President Obama break this promise? (Original post)
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 OP
Motownjohnny Aug 2014 #1
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #3
johnaries01 Aug 2014 #8
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #11
whyareyouthinking Aug 2014 #2
JacoBukowski Aug 2014 #4
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #5
JacoBukowski Aug 2014 #14
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #15
JoePolitics Aug 2014 #6
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #7
ReTooled Aug 2014 #9
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #10
TexMex Aug 2014 #12
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #13
Jenny Fromdablock Aug 2014 #16
MeatSandwich Aug 2014 #17
OTSmithers Aug 2014 #18

Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:51 PM

1. You know Congress needs to pass those laws, Right?


Put those bills on his desk and he will sign them.

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Response to Motownjohnny (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:55 PM

3. He already signed the reauthorization of the Patriot Act, without any substanative changes.

He also didn't do a thing about the expansion of the NSA spying under his watch. There have been no bills offered from either side of the political spectrum as far as I know.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:32 PM

8. True - BUT

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/179/revise-the-patriot-act-to-increase-oversight-on-go/

But the ACLU's Richardson noted that while there have been no additional legislative oversight measures passed during Obama's presidency, there have been some put in place in the executive branch. Most notably, the Justice Department decided to implement several measures that were originally included in the USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009 - a failed oversight bill proposed by Sen. Leahy.

In response to a letter from Leahy in December 2010, the Justice Department said it had:

• Implemented a requirement that, when library or bookseller records are sought via a Section 215 order for business records, a statement of specific and articulable facts showing relevance to an authorized investigation must be produced;
• Adopted a policy requiring the FBI to retain a statement of facts showing that the information sought through a National Security Letter (NSL) is relevant to an authorized investigation, to facilitate better auditing and accountability;
• Adopted procedures to provide notification to recipients of NSLs of their opportunity to contest any nondisclosure requirement attached to the NSL;
• Agreed to ensure that NSL recipients who challenge nondisclosure orders are notified by the FBI when compliance with such nondisclosure orders are no longer required;
• Adopted procedures for the collection, use and storage of information derived from National Security Letters, which were approved by Attorney General Holder on October 1, 2010.

Leahy also said that DOJ had agreed to work with Congress to determine ways to make additional information publicly available regarding the use of FISA authorities.

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Where does that leave us? President Obama has spoken in the past in favor of more oversight and Attorney General Eric Holder supported the USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009. Nonetheless, the president signed a reauthorization that included no additional oversight. However, the DOJ has implemented key components of Sen. Leahy's bill. Whether this decision qualifies as "robust oversight” is in the eye of the beholder. Without legislative action, this oversight can go away with a change in administration. Nevertheless, because of these executive actions, we rate this promise as Compromise.

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Response to johnaries01 (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:20 PM

11. Most of these changes involve technical matters (NSLs) which are only used by the FBI.

No *major* changes to the Patriot Act have been enacted through legislation or executive orders, and the NSA has went on unabated in their efforts to spy on Americans.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:52 PM

2. if "rights" are something that can be taken away or restored on command then they are not rights...

but temporary privileges.

the u.s.a. is ruled by individuals upon whom the law has little to no real bearing. the political system is an elaborate puppet show.

if you want something and you have power first create a crisis which you can solve by implementing what you want as a policy.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:12 PM

4. Politifact rates these as...

Compromise, Compromise, and Promise Broken

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Obama's overal score: 45% of promises kept, 24% compromises reached, and 22% promises broken.

Compare that to the GOP Congressional leaders: 38% promises kept, 30% compromises reached, and 32% promises broken.

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Response to JacoBukowski (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:16 PM

5. Politifact doesn't have to live with the Patriot Act or increased NSA spying, do they?

These are HUGE promises broken. Not like getting a parking ticket or reading some political editor's opinion.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:09 PM

14. "Politifact doesn't have to live with blah blah..."

Seeing as how the site is based out of Tampa Bay, and most of its reporters work for the Times, yeah, it kinda does have to live with the those things...just as we all do if, and until, the right mix of Supreme Court justices are sitting on the bench to over turn them.

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Response to JacoBukowski (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:42 PM

15. My comment appparently blew right over your head.

Overturn what? The Patriot Act that President Obama reauthorized without any significant changes? That Patriot Act?

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Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:26 PM

6. Did you read those policy statements?

The first does not say he'd end the Patriot act. Its says he'd revisit it. And his administration has added more over-site. Personally, I'd like to see even more oversite, but then I knew when the Patriot Act passed, no subsequent President was EVER giving back all of that power. And that's long before I'd ever heard of Obama. No GOP President would ever give back any of it.

Wiretaps. Hum ... he updated his administration's use of the FISA law. And Congress extended the 2008 FISA law by a margin of 73-23, which is a veto proof majority. Damn Obama.

And finally ... "Barack Obama strongly supports the bipartisan efforts to restore habeas rights." Sadly, the GOP has blocked any "bipartisan" effort in this regard. Obama would welcome their help. They won't give any.

Which is the real point here. The GOP blocks everything. Then blames the President. Big surprise, given that's been their strategy from the day he took office.

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Response to JoePolitics (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:30 PM

7. Give me a break. The NSA spying has grown under his watch. The FISA court is a joke, still

approving nearly 100% of warrant requests, including blanket requests. And he signed a Patriot Act that was virtually unchanged from the previous administration. What change, what improvement. It's actually gotten worse in some areas.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:33 PM

9. Because...he's a liar?

...like all politicians?

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Response to ReTooled (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:12 PM

10. You know, that's true. I just thought, for once, we had a candidate that really

intended to make changes. It doesn't seem to have worked out that way. Same old same old.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:23 PM

12. Reality Bites

 

Obama spoke as a naive idealist in 2007. The hard reality of the presidency woke him up to the dangerous world we actually navigate. I'm no fan of the Patriot Act, but it's the new status quo.

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Response to TexMex (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:26 PM

13. Yes it does. But I learned my lesson quickly. He didn't get my vote in 2012.

Reality Bites

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Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:48 PM

16. It's bad when 30 things pop into my head when reading the thread title.

I had no clue which one this was going to be.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 11:00 PM

17. That was only one of many. I'll post some of his pre-election promises on the ACA soon.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Original post)

Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:50 AM

18. Because Obama is a liar. He never believed anything he promised. nt

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