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Sat Jun 8, 2019, 06:54 AM

remember the liberty

52 years ago today Israeli aircraft sank a us navy ship and strafed the survivors in the sea.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

"It was “one of the classic all-American cover-ups,” said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.

“Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own?” Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack."

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"Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."

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rampartb Jun 2019 OP
imwithfred Jun 2019 #1
rampartb Jun 2019 #5
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #19
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #30
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #36
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #40
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #41
rahtruelies Jun 2019 #11
Cold Warrior Jun 2019 #2
quad489 Jun 2019 #3
rampartb Jun 2019 #6
TheyLostTheirForums Jun 2019 #4
rampartb Jun 2019 #7
Solesurvivor Jun 2019 #8
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #31
rampartb Jun 2019 #38
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #49
Gunslinger201 Jun 2019 #9
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #10
Oldgeezer Jun 2019 #12
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #32
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #33
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #35
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #39
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #42
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #43
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #44
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #48
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #47
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #45
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #50
RCW2014 Jun 2019 #13
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #14
rampartb Jun 2019 #15
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #16
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #20
RCW2014 Jun 2019 #21
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #22
RCW2014 Jun 2019 #23
Da Mannn Jun 2019 #25
RCW2014 Jun 2019 #26
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #27
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #29
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #46
def_con5 Jun 2019 #17
RCW2014 Jun 2019 #24
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #28
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #18
Grumpy Pickle Jun 2019 #34
Banshee 3 Actual Jun 2019 #37

Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 06:58 AM

1. Oh gawd no.

You're aware of course that this issue is what caused half of the old conservativeunderground to split off and form conservativecave, back in 2008.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:17 AM

5. i was not aware of that, but

during my career I met several civilian survivors of the liberty, as well as the pueblo.

they were not allowed to talk about their experiences, but were quick to advise "don't expect a lot of support."

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Response to rampartb (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 12:17 PM

19. USS Liberty was not sunk it was sold for scrap in Baltimore 6 YEARS after the attack

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:59 PM

30. Israel dindu nuffin"

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:24 AM

36. they didnt sink it which is a fact something you lot never acknowledge

but then stalker level obsession with joos seems to be your thing

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:01 PM

40. Actually it appears to be your thing !

Can always find you on the Israel threads, B.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:19 PM

41. " They were not ALLOWED to talk about it ".

Hummmm.....

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:47 AM

11. some cons have their own delusions just as severe as those of du

and usually they are zionism fanatics........perfect golem

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:02 AM

2. Yep, we can't say anything bad about our friends

Just as now we justify anything our friends the Saudis do.

There used to be a poster on the internets who obsessed about the Liberty incident. He was, at the time the Admin at CU — Gator. He now appears to be gone.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:08 AM

3. Yep, why did LBJ cover that incident up?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:21 AM

6. why cover up the jfk conspiracy or bengazi?

or ufos for that matter. "national security."

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:10 AM

4. Honest mistake by our great ally Israel*

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Response to TheyLostTheirForums (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:23 AM

7. false flag attack to keep information from their great ally israel.

when have they actually done anything for us?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:35 AM

8. The greatest thing, kill muslims

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:01 AM

31. Israel does NOTHING for the US.

They are parasites.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:33 AM

38. the foreign aid scam maybe

we taxpayers give them cash to buy weapons from our military industrial monopoly.

I don't think it is anti-Semitic to talk like this. I don't think the Israeli citizens deserve to be thrown into camps or oven, I just think their leaders need to stop being so needy.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:45 PM

49. Hmm lets see

Standard Israeli Defence Forces Rifle?

The Israeli designed and produced Tavor



Standard IDF Light Machinegun?
The Israeli designed and produced Negev
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWI_Negev#/media/File:IWI-Negev-Zachi-Evenor-01-white.jpg
Standard IDF Tank?

The Israeli designed and produced Merkava
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mD05ZpewPU4/TyoSJp5XfPI/AAAAAAAAFzU/3xYmkAxBmoE/s1600/Merkava+Mark+II+I+III+IV+tank.jpg

Their subs and surface ships are German and French made, not American

In aircraft they use American because the US forced them to stop the Kfir (which was based on the French Dassault Mirage 5) manufacture

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:38 AM

9. The Liberty was like a Vacuum Cleaner for ELINT



They could scoop up Electronic Communications but couldn't do much to analyze. That had to be sent back to the U.S. in those days.

The speculation is that they had gotten Israels first strike plan for the Arab Air Forces before the 6 day war and had to make sure that didn't come out. McNamara was the worst SECDEF of my Lifetime and his behavior here is as bad as his Vietnam ideas.

The Leading Signalman aboard the Liberty says he KNOWS the US Flag was Flying at the time of the Attack. He knows because HE Hoisted it.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 07:40 AM

10. 3 military panels concluded: Friendly Fire. Yet bigots use this to fan the fires

of hatred. It is the rally cry of anti-Semites everywhere.
Friendly Fire happens in war, but those who hate will never mention that.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 08:08 AM

12. Yep

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:06 AM

32. There is NO excuse for the attack on USS The Liberty.

Sorry Israel. You do not get a free pass.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:11 AM

33. Freindly Fire is a fact of life in war. Deal with it.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:30 AM

35. "Friendly Fire " my ass.

Just another cover-up.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:32 AM

39. There was no cover up

three military tribunals and bad press prove that.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:22 PM

42. Sure.....uh-huh.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:24 PM

43. some choose to hate.

your hate is NOT history

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:47 PM

44. WTF are you talking about ?

Men died in this fucked up event.

Did you miss the part in the OP where an Israeli pilot was told to " disregard the US flag and attack ".

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:39 PM

48. Since you are the conspiracy nutter where did false flag come from? the Baralong incident

HMS Baralong flying the US flag in 1915 engaged and sank German U Boats including hunting down unarmed survivors and killing them

US Mule skinners aboard who witnessed the incidents were pressured by Britain to Join the British Army afterwards

https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/21433-100th-anniversary-of-the-infamous-baralong-incident



Ever hear of Operation Grief? SS-Obersturmbannführer Otto Skorzeny and panzerbrigade 150's ''Einheit Stielau commando unit'' of Germans in American Uniforms in the Ardennes?

Gleiwitz incident?


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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:30 PM

47. You want cover up? the USAAF killed over 100 men at Normandy INCLUDING a 4 star general

Leslie J McNair

it never made the newspapers in WW2 as due to Friendly Fire/Fratricide/Blue on Blue

https://kuscholarworks.ku.edu/bitstream/handle/1808/10437/Calhoun_ku_0099D_11980_DATA_1.pdf?sequence=1

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:08 PM

45. Yes please do cover up your ass as its showing here with your anti Semitism

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 05:21 AM

50. Talking ABOUT Israel is not antisemitism. You're showing your ass in that you can't seem to tell

the difference......or you deliberately use that to smear posters here that discuss Israel.

I don't happen to agree with many of the policies of the COUNTRY of Israel......I also don't agree with the policies of Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, Iran, the EU, North Korea.

Stick to the subject, which is POLITICS not religion.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:22 AM

13. Thank you for posting!

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:36 AM

14. Jew haters love this fable.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

15. 34 americans don't die in a "fable"

didn't you obsess continually, for years, over bengazi? a cia operation where only 4 died?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:24 AM

16. The Fable is not acknowledging "Friendly Fire"

three military panels accepted this as fact. The US govt lists this as friendly fire. Why can't YOU?
Only people who hate Jews say otherwise.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 12:25 PM

20. they need sports drinks they dehydrate from fapping furiously to it

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:16 PM

21. The real "fable" is that israel is a U.S "friend and ally"... Nothing could be further from the

fact.

The only truth is that they are good at leeching off the US taxpayers.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 01:38 PM

22. Spoken like a true bigot.

Face it, RC. You have a problem.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:08 PM

23. Thanks to the internet, people are waking up and taunts of "bigot" to anyone critical of israel

just doesn't work as it once did.

I understand your frustration, indeed. Except it, the scam is for all to see...finally.



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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:13 PM

25. If the shoe fits, RC...wear it.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:25 PM

26. Oh I do, well broken in and fit so nicely.

Here....just for you!



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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 05:38 PM

27. Do they wear shoes in russia? I read they can only afford wooden clogs

PUTIN'S ECONOMY IS SO BAD, MANY RUSSIANS CAN'T AFFORD NEW SHOES

To see the state of Vladimir Putin's economy, look down at Russians' feet. The weakening ruble is making Russians more cautious about their purchases, and annual shoe sales across the country have dropped in recent months as Russians wait for their footwear to completely wear out before buying new ones, the Moscow Times reported Tuesday.

SOURCES-
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-economy-so-bad-russians-cant-afford-shoes-571673
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/03/21/russians-have-stopped-buying-shoes-economic-crisis-is-to-blame-a57486

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 05:39 PM

29. russia pays well for lackeys

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:18 PM

46. Brought to you by russian propaganda Inc, a division of putin brand mafioso

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:03 AM

17. She wasn't sunk

and the survivors weren't strafed.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:11 PM

24. Correct on the "sunk", try as they(israel) might. Sailors aboard the USS Liberty disagree with you

on the "strafing" part.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 05:38 PM

28. Unlike the drunks aboard the Kursk...

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Sat Jun 8, 2019, 12:15 PM

18. friendly fire happens maybe you were in theater for this-

16–17 June 1968, HMAS Hobart, USS Boston and USS Edson were attacked by US aircraft. At 03:09, Hobart's radar picked up an aircraft approaching with no IFF transponder active. At 03:14, the aircraft fired a single missile at the ship which killed one sailor, wounded two others and damaged the ship. Two minutes later, the aircraft made a second pass and fired two missiles which caused further damage, killed another sailor and wounded six others. The aircraft came around for a third attack run, but was scared off when Hobart's forward gun turret, under independent control, fired five rounds at it. At 03:30, USS Edson, in company with Hobart, reported coming under fire, and Hobart's captain ordered both destroyers and USS Theodore E. Chandler to take up anti-aircraft formation. At 05:15, the three destroyers linked up with the cruiser USS Boston (which had been hit by a missile from another aircraft) and the escorting destroyer USS Blandy, and continued anti-aircraft manoeuvring. Debris collected from Hobart and the other ships indicated that the missiles were of United States Air Force (USAF) origin. The attacks on Hobart and the other ships were the capstone of a series of firing incidents between 15 and 17 June, and an inquiry was held by the USN into the incidents, with three RAN personnel attending as technical advisors. The inquiry found that a few hours before the attack on Hobart, Swift boats PCF-12 and PCF-19, along with USCGC Point Dume, were attacked by what they identified at the time as hovering enemy aircraft, but were believed to be friendly planes; PCF-19 was sunk in the attack. F-4 Phantoms of the USAF Seventh Air Force, responding several hours after the attack on the Swift boats, were unable to distinguish between the radar signature of surface ships and airborne helicopters, and instead opened fire on Hobart, Boston, and Edson






Lieutenant General Omar Bradley, commander of the U.S. II Corps, recalled that his column was attacked by American A-36s in Sicily. The tanks lit yellow smoke flares to identify themselves to their own aircraft but the attacks continued, forcing the column to return fire which resulted in the downing of one aircraft. A parachuting pilot from the downed A-36 was brought before Bradley. 'You stupid sonofabitch!!' Bradley fumed. 'Didn't you see our yellow recognition signals!?' The pilot replied 'Oh, is that what that was?'


During Operation Cobra, the American offensive push south from western Normandy, bombs from the U.S. Eighth Air Force landed on American troops on two separate occasions.

24 July – Some 1,600 bombers flew in support of the opening bombardment for Cobra. Due to bad weather they were unable to see their targets. Although some were recalled, and others declined to bomb without visibility, a number did, which hit U.S. positions. Twenty-five were killed and 131 wounded in this incident.

The following day, on 25 July, the operation was repeated by 1,800 bombers of 8th Air Force. On this occasion, the weather was clear, but despite requests by First Army commander Gen. Omar Bradley to bomb east to west, along the front in order to avoid creepback, the air commanders made their attack north to south, over Allied lines. As more and more bombs fell short, and U.S. positions again were hit, 111 were killed and 490 wounded. Lieutenant General Lesley McNair was among the dead, the highest-ranking victim of American friendly fire.



The Japanese transport ship Rakuyō Maru, carrying 1,317 Australian and British prisoners-of-war in convoy from Singapore to Formosa (Taiwan), was sunk in the Luzon Strait by the submarine USS Sealion, whose commanders were unaware until after the sinking that allied prisoners had been on board. Ultimately 1,159 POWs died, only 50 rescued by the Sealion and sister submarines in her pack lived to make landfall.


18 September – The Japanese cargo ship Junyō Maru was packed with 1,377 Dutch, 64 British and Australian, and 8 American prisoners of war along with 4,200 Javanese slave labourers (Romushas) bound for work on a railway line being built in Sumatra when she was attacked and sunk by British submarine HMS Tradewind, whose commander, Lt. Cdr Lynch Maydon did not know there were Allied prisoners of war on board. At that time it was the world's greatest sea disaster with 5,620 dead as well as the worst single friendly fire loss (surpassed by the Cap Arcona disaster next year) and highest death toll inflicted in a single action by British forces. 680 survivors were rescued, the prisoners of whom went on to their intended destination.



29 April – US Navy PT-346 itself became the victim of friendly fire, when sent to the aid of PT-347, which had become stuck on a reef during a night patrol to intercept enemy barges and destroy shore installations off the coast of Rabaul in Lassul Bay, located off the northwest corner of New Britain Island in New Guinea. At 0700, PT-350 was attempting to dislodge PT-347 from the reef, when two American Marine Corsair planes mistook the PT boats for Japanese gunboats and attacked. Taking heavy fire from the planes, PT-350 shot down one of the two attacking fighters, believing them to be A6M Zeros. With three dead and four wounded and serious mechanical problems, PT-350 headed back to base. PT-347 remained stuck on the reef. When PT-350 could not be boarded because of extensive damage, PT-346 headed out to PT-347 to provide assistance. PT-346 arrived at 1230, and at 1400 was still attempting to dislodge PT-347 from the coral heads when planes appeared. The Corsair plane from the morning run brought back an entire squadron of 21 planes (four Corsairs, six Grumman TBF Avenger torpedo bombers, four Grumman F6F Hellcat fighters, and eight Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bombers). Recognizing the planes as American and thinking they were the air cover he had ordered, the squadron commander ordered the men to keep working; however, the planes attacked the two boats, still mistaking them for Japanese gunboats. PT-346 did not respond defensively until it was too late, and took heavy casualties. The skipper of PT-347, Lieutenant Williams, who had experienced the earlier attack, ordered his men into the water and to stay dispersed, but two men were killed and three wounded. PT-346 and PT-347 were completely destroyed by bombs, and the men were strafed in the water for approximately one hour.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#1944

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:16 AM

34. The US was at war against the Japanese.

Since when was Israel at war against the US ?

No excuse for the Israeli attack against the USS Liberty.

None.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:26 AM

37. Did you even read the post or just reflexively regurgitate?

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