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Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:54 PM

 

What makes Bill Nye a climate expert?

NOTHING!

He is a mechanical engineer. Designs tinker toy parts.

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Reply What makes Bill Nye a climate expert? (Original post)
Aldar Apr 2017 OP
Frankenvoter Apr 2017 #1
Scary Red Apr 2017 #2
Aldar Apr 2017 #3
oflguy Apr 2017 #8
SlayerNut May 2017 #36
oflguy May 2017 #37
SlayerNut May 2017 #38
oflguy May 2017 #39
SlayerNut May 2017 #41
oflguy May 2017 #42
SlayerNut May 2017 #43
oflguy May 2017 #44
SlayerNut May 2017 #45
oflguy May 2017 #46
SlayerNut May 2017 #47
oflguy May 2017 #48
oflguy May 2017 #49
SlayerNut May 2017 #51
SlayerNut May 2017 #50
oflguy May 2017 #52
SlayerNut May 2017 #53
KAT May 2017 #60
oflguy May 2017 #61
KAT May 2017 #62
oflguy May 2017 #63
KAT May 2017 #64
oflguy May 2017 #65
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #4
Aldar Apr 2017 #6
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #10
Aldar Apr 2017 #11
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #12
Aldar Apr 2017 #13
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #14
Aldar Apr 2017 #15
Aldar Apr 2017 #16
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #18
Aldar Apr 2017 #19
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #20
Aldar Apr 2017 #21
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #22
Aldar Apr 2017 #23
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Aldar Apr 2017 #25
ProgressiveTaxation Apr 2017 #26
Aldar Apr 2017 #30
gowiththrottleup Apr 2017 #28
Aldar Apr 2017 #29
Aldar Apr 2017 #31
oflguy Apr 2017 #33
Ravenquills May 2017 #59
foia Apr 2017 #5
oflguy Apr 2017 #9
ProgressiveTaxation Apr 2017 #27
oflguy Apr 2017 #32
oflguy May 2017 #34
quad489 Apr 2017 #7
Jack Burton Apr 2017 #17
SlayerNut May 2017 #35
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marmot84 May 2017 #54
Aldar May 2017 #55
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marmot84 May 2017 #58

Response to Aldar (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:05 PM

1. He says so

We're just supposed to take his word for it. The media have coronated him as such also, so I guess theres that.

Then there was this in his past:

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:10 PM

2. But he talks to climate experts unlike internet deniers and gasbags.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:14 PM

3. who are those "experts" he talks to?

 

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 06:58 PM

8. I'm going to find some astronauts and talk to them

That way I'll be one.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #8)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:21 AM

36. No, you won't be one.

However after enough time and knowledge and talking and interviewing and research you could be an expert on astronauts.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #36)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:24 AM

37. Yes I WILL be one

If Bill Nye can become a climate expert by talking to one, I can become an astronaut by talking to one.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #37)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:29 AM

38. nope.

Sorry.
He's done more than talk to a climate scientist.
He studies and researches it, it's a passion and hobby as well. As well as the astronomy and planetary society he blogs too.
The person you were referring to made a misleading statement that you latched onto.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #38)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:31 AM

39. Nye is a big, fat kook

one of the posts in this thread proves it

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Response to oflguy (Reply #39)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:35 AM

41. you can have that opinion of him all you want.

He's actually quite skinny though. Like a rake.

Doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #41)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:44 AM

42. He is just like the global warming "experts" in this forum

Ask him a simple basic question on meteorology and he can't answer it.

Do you realize I can have two thermometers side by side measuring the temperature. They can be two degrees apart and both are acceptable temperatures to NOAA?

Then you are going to use tenths of a degree in your data? I don't think so.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #42)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:51 AM

43. He's not a climate scientist.

That's the difference.
People call him an expert because he knows a lot about it. Nobody knows everything about it. He knows enough to be considered an expert to some people.
I don't care for experts..
I mean, there are bigfoot experts for fuck sakes... takes away all the meaning of the word.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #43)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:57 AM

44. I wonder if Nye can tell us the cooling value of a cloud?

Or you, perhaps?

Or the cooling value of a partly cloudy sky?

Or the cooling value of a thunderstorm?

Or the cooling value of a cold front?

Or the cooling value of the Jet Stream in the ocean?

I wonder if that stuff is programmed into their computer models?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #44)

Mon May 1, 2017, 09:09 AM

45. oh, that reminds me.

I looked up your clouds thing the other day, latent heat, types of clouds, cooling warming..
Got some info from a couple of places.
I would like to see where you get your info. Can you point me towards some research or data that you feel supports what you were saying? See if it matches up or may even be the same sources.

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #45)

Mon May 1, 2017, 09:13 AM

46. I make my living knowing the science of psychrometrics

Give me an example of what you want to know.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #46)

Mon May 1, 2017, 09:26 AM

47. Well you were

Talking about clouds cooling the atmosphere and the heat escaping into space. Types of clouds, latent heat.. I just want to see if what I have been reading about it lines up.
So I'd like a couple of sites I can read for myself to see if it can confirm what I've been reading about it so far, or if there are discrepancies.

I'm not a bandwagon type of person. I suppose to some extent we all are, but I like getting as much info from different places as I can to be able to make a decision with as much knowledge as I reasonably can attain without having to dedicate a lifetime or an unreasonable amount of time to something. Depending on how important it is to me. This isn't extremely important to me, but you brought up points I am looking into.
A lot of time there are 2 sides to something. Sometimes they can both be basically right, sometimes one is right and one is wrong. Both are wrong.. etc. .

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #47)

Mon May 1, 2017, 09:59 AM

48. Here is a good place to get started to understand the fundamentals of heat in air

https://sustainabilityworkshop.autodesk.com/buildings/psychrometric-charts

It explains the relationships and interactions of sensible heat and latent heat, and how they combine to determine total heat, or enthalpy. It explains how cooling and heating of air affects relative humidity, dewpoint, saturation of air, total moisture in air in grains, the principals behind evaporative cooling, etc.

I like the chart with the arrows that point out what is happening as you move throughout the chart. It can be a bit daunting at first but once you realize the players, it gets fun.

Horizontally, as you move right and left, you are moving across constant lines of temperature dry bulb in degrees F.

Vertically, as you move up and down, you are moving across constant lines of moisture, measured in grains/lb of (dry) air.

The curved line forming the boundry on the outer edge is 100% relative humidity. If you are on the line, and cool the air anymore, moisture will condense out just as moisture in the atmosphere condenses into visible moisture as it rises in the air to form clouds.

Parallel curved lines to the right are lines of constant relative humidity. Notice that as you heat air in degrees F (by moving right), you are cutting through lower lines of relative humidity, even though you are not adding or taking away water content.

The sloped lines are dewpoint lines. Evaporative cooling takes place along those lines. Notice that as evaporative cooling takes place, (as in the water cycle) air is cooled (temperature wise) and humidified at the same time, but neither gains nor loses total heat.

In short, the chart can explain what happens in clouds, when it rains, when the sun evaporates a puddle of water, and what you have when you measure temperatures dry bulb and wet bulb, and combine them to determine total heat.

Let me know if you have any questions.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #48)

Mon May 1, 2017, 10:36 AM

49. This has a nice video showing how heat is distributed on the earth

For some reason, everybody seems to forget the water cycle removes the excess heat from the sun OFF the earth. It makes me wonder if the so-called "experts" even take the water cycle into account when modeling their global warming predictions.

https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/videos/earths-water-cycle

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Response to oflguy (Reply #49)

Mon May 1, 2017, 01:21 PM

51. thanks.

I'll check it..

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Response to oflguy (Reply #48)

Mon May 1, 2017, 01:20 PM

50. K. Thanks..

I'll check it out for sure when I got some time..

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Response to SlayerNut (Reply #50)

Mon May 1, 2017, 01:25 PM

52. Feel free to ask questions

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Response to oflguy (Reply #52)

Mon May 1, 2017, 01:40 PM

53. I will.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #46)

Sun May 7, 2017, 09:36 PM

60. AC tech?

 

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Response to KAT (Reply #60)

Sun May 7, 2017, 11:08 PM

61. How many AC techs do you know that understand the fundamentals of psychrometrics?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #61)

Sun May 7, 2017, 11:09 PM

62. I don't know any AC techs.

 

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Response to KAT (Reply #62)

Sun May 7, 2017, 11:16 PM

63. Its not something they learn or understand, usually.

I know many engineers that are also obvious to the science.

Meteorologists use the science every day, however. Sometimes they try to explain bits and pieces of it in their broadcasts. If you pay close attention, you can learn some of it.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #63)

Mon May 8, 2017, 01:09 AM

64. Physics and engineering weren't my forte.

 

Prefer the biological sciences.

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Response to KAT (Reply #64)

Mon May 8, 2017, 01:22 AM

65. The study of moist air (psychrometrics) isn't hard to understand

Once you have the basics, it becomes easy (and fun) to grasp and apply to the real world. A weather map of the country starts to all make sense with cold fronts, warm fronts, rain, snow, hail, freezing rain, fog, temperature inversions, hurricanes, tornados, droughts, excessive rain and bouts of extreme heat and cold all fitting into the scheme of things.

You begin to understand why hurricanes and fronts are necessary functions to regulate the earth's temperature, and the importance of the water cycle (evaporation, condensation, rain, in addition to melting and freezing ice) whereby latent heat of vaporization, latent heat of condensation, freezing and melting water move large amounts of heat through changes of state.

It also teaches you what constitutes heat in air, a very important concept to understand when discussing climate change.

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:43 PM

4. He has talked to scientists his whole career. Something

you could do if you believed in scientists. But you are told not to so that the human population is pruned leaving room for rich ***holes who live to be 140 and don't pay taxes.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:19 PM

6. who? which scientist? Names?

 

I grew up in an academic home. My father is a retired professor emeritus in entomology at Texas A&M University.

Where do you get unfounded statements such as "you don't believe in scientist".

You sir are a moron.

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Response to Aldar (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:34 PM

10. His job as evidenced on tv was to discuss science every

week. And you assume too. I am not a sir but a Miss.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:44 PM

11. what qualifies a ME to talk science?

 

*ME = mechanical eng

*eng = engineer

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Response to Aldar (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:48 PM

12. You don't think engineers are science based?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:49 PM

13. I am one and no, not climate science or biology, etc

 

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Response to Aldar (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:59 PM

14. The only engineer I know is currently doing his master's

in environmental sciences. He's from Nigeria. Smart guy. He's doing his thesis on how to pull prescription medications out of the sewage that gets treated and turned into drinking water. A pox on him eh?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:07 PM

15. Not the same type of "engineer"

 

Look up what a ME is. Are you canadian?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:10 PM

16. Do you think a ME or EE or CE is the

 

same as environmental eng? Completely different disciples.

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Response to Aldar (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:17 PM

18. So scientists from different fields never talk to each other

about the meaning of their work?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:27 PM

19. An ME, EE, CE are NOT scientist

 

Educate yourself. EE is an electrical eng, a CE is a civil eng, go look up what they are and are not. They are NOT scientist. An ME is a mechanical eng, not a scientist.

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Response to Aldar (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:54 PM

20. Right. Got ya. I guess the president will not be able

to send any more bombs because he is not a rocket scientist?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:09 PM

21. nice try at deflection

 

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Response to Aldar (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:23 PM

22. Just pointing out your logic. NRA logic.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:28 PM

23. you in canada?

 

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Response to Aldar (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:37 PM

24. Yes. And before you complain we have Americans spreading

GOP dogma in canada. I'm allowed to fight for my planet.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:49 PM

25. I am not complaining and

 

I love the planet too and want to protect it. I don't trust the climate alarmist. I think the data is manipulated to support an agenda.

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Response to Aldar (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:56 PM

26. Nikola Tesla was a mechanical engineer...

and a scientist.

The list is long.

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Response to ProgressiveTaxation (Reply #26)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:11 AM

30. gate, drain and source

 

tesla understood inductance which edison did not. do you know what inductance

I didn't think so.

tesla was not a climate scientist and neither is bill nye.

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Response to Aldar (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:00 AM

28. 99% of scientist agree climate change is happening. The Koch

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brothers just want to get rich off all the fossil fuels still in the ground. You can't monitize the appearance of wind and solar. You can monitize its formation into useable form. But no way to own the sun, get rights or lease it. Yet. They are so selfish. With more money they or their great great great grandchildren could spend in their lifetimes but they still want to make more, and in an easy way. No matter how it drowns many of the major cities in the world. Bet you they are investing deep into construction corporations around the world. It is such a shame. It will kill millions of people living in zones around the equator too. Maybe that is why Republican thinkers lik-ed the climate change.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:10 AM

29. what are they basing their OPINIONS on

 

manipulated data?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:13 AM

31. koch brothers equal george soros

 

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 10:02 AM

33. Who told you that 99% lie go go?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #28)

Thu May 4, 2017, 03:06 PM

59. HUH

Please allow me to humbly correct you.
Of course 99% of scientists agree Climate Change is happening. Climate Change has been happening since the earth formed it is the engine of evolution. Climate change is not the same as Man Made Global warming and the evidence for that is still in its infancy as is the research.

I personally am disgusted that the words Climate Change have been hijacked by people with an agenda but no actual real understanding or willingness to look closely at the models being developed their underlying data or the science supporting them. I believe that the current Climate ( forgive the bad pun please) of blackening the reputations of anyone who dares to question the idea of strictly man made global warming is the most damming thing happening to science today. Science without questioning, science as a means to meet political agendas, is simply bad science and it benefits no one.

The dialogue must be kept open and the data must be transparent and its manner of collection must be transparent. Changing data sets to make a point is political not scientific.

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Response to foia (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 07:40 PM

9. I didn't realize that Nye was such a kook

He's like the global warming "experts" in this forum - ask them a simple basic question on meteorology and they scatter like roaches on a New Orleans night sidewalk.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:58 PM

27. LOL...you didn't even know what "heat" was...

until we explained it to you.

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Response to ProgressiveTaxation (Reply #27)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 07:15 AM

32. Why not go ahead an educate everybody in the forum what "heat" is?

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Hummmm?

(Please let PT answer this and not try to bail him out)

In particular, I'm interested in your explanation of what heat in air is.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #32)

Mon May 1, 2017, 01:06 AM

34. PT???

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:54 PM

7. He has business cards that says he is a climate expert...

...so it must be true, since business cards don't lie.

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:16 PM

17. Bill Nye is a walking polyp.

Doomers worship a walking polyp.

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:19 AM

35. how much studying

And research and knowledge about a subject does it take to be considered an expert on it?
Some people are experts in certain things that have nothing to do with their profession.
Your post is nonsense.

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:33 AM

40. what makes a civil war expert an expert?

NOTHING!!
They weren't there.
All they did was read books and learn as much as they can about it with integrity and a passion for history.
That's all. Some of them don't even own musket rifles..

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Response to Aldar (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:35 AM

54. Bill Nye does not claim to be a climate expert

He claims to accept the research of climate experts. There is a difference.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #54)

Tue May 2, 2017, 11:40 AM

55. He carries water for the globull warming crowd

 

he should talks about things he actually knows something about

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Response to Aldar (Reply #55)

Tue May 2, 2017, 02:37 PM

56. No, that is never the case

NOVA has a narrator. Science news is usually reported by non-specialists. This is a ridiculus and absurd requirement.

Very few people will take the time to listen to people who don't specialize in communication. But since you asked, here is an excellent video from a Republican Climate Scientist:

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #56)

Tue May 2, 2017, 03:09 PM

57. I didn't read your post or watch the video.

 

Why do you drink the kool aid?

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Response to Aldar (Reply #57)

Tue May 2, 2017, 07:10 PM

58. So if you admit that you won't look why did you respond?



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