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Ukraine prosecutor offered information related to Biden in exchange for ambassadors ouster,

newly released materials show

The messages, written in Russian, show Lutsenko urging Parnas to force out Yovanovitch in exchange for cooperation regarding Biden. At one point, Lutsenko suggests he won’t make any helpful public statements unless “madam” is removed.

“It’s just that if you don’t make a decision about Madam — you are calling into question all my declarations. Including about B,” Lutsenko wrote to Parnas in a March 22 message over WhatsApp.


It’s unclear if ‘B’ is a reference to Biden or Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company on whose board Hunter Biden served from 2014 to 2019.

Four days later, Lutsenko told Parnas that work on the case against the owner of the gas company is proceeding successfully and evidence of the money transfers of “B” had been obtained.

Parnas, days later, told Lutsenko that “soon everything will turn around and we’ll be on the right course.” Lutsenko responded that he has copies of payments Burisma made to the investment firm co-founded by Biden’s son Hunter.

The following month, Yovanovitch was removed from her post at Giuliani’s urging. Lutsenko later said publicly he found no evidence of wrongdoing under Ukrainian law by Hunter or Joe Biden.



The frame up job.

Giuliani’s Ukraine efforts are a formalization of the rumor-to-Trump pipeline

"There is no reason to think that they are true, beyond that someone apparently said it out loud to the president’s attorney. As he has wandered the globe seeking out dirt that impugns Biden — the Democrat perhaps most likely at the moment to face Trump in next year’s presidential contest — Giuliani has demonstrated little interest in avoiding the sort of fake news Kent identified. Giuliani has met with a rogue’s gallery of individuals with suspect motivations, often passing their claims on without question. He has worked with the openly pro-Trump cable network One America News Network on a series of reports in which allegations from Giuliani and various Ukrainians are broadcast without question."

"But it addresses only part of the problem. The broader problem is Giuliani’s apparent lack of interest in validating the information he’s receiving."

"When the office of the department’s inspector general released the packet in September, it included some related communications from within the department assessing its claims and the broader effort to promote its allegations in conservative media. In one email, for example, Kent notes that “those behind the crude forgery had not gone to the Gene Fishel school of how the spells Ukrainian names in transliteration” — suggesting that it was not a government official who had written the list. (He signed the email “Jorje,” apparently a joke about how the list author might have written Kent’s own first name.)"

"It’s not surprising, then, that Attorney General William P. Barr has reportedly cautioned Trump about Giuliani."

Graham gets cold feet on promoting Giuliani frame up job.

Graham was going to have Giuliani before his committee to announce Giuliani's Ukraine / Joe Biden frame up job. Now Graham seems to be backing off.

"He has not shared any of that information with me,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) about the information Giuliani obtained overseas. “My advice to Giuliani would be to share what he got from Ukraine with the IC to make sure it’s not Russia propaganda. I’m very suspicious of what the Russians are up to all over the world.”

Merry Christmas Discussionist


How the efforts of Yuriy Lutsenko and Rudy Giuliani to smear Joe Biden led to a Presidential crisis.

Long article but very informative for anybody who wants to know what was really going on in Ukraine.

Jewish groups denounce Trump's 'vile' remarks at Israeli American Council

"“We strongly denounce these vile and bigoted remarks in which the president – once again – used anti-Semitic stereotypes to characterize Jews as driven by money and insufficiently loyal to Israel,” Jewish Democratic Council Executive Director Halie Soifer said in a statement Sunday.

“He even had the audacity to suggest that Jews ‘have no choice’ but to support him, and that we should ‘get people out of country’ in order to increase support of Israel,” she added."

“You’re brutal killers. Not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me you have no choice,” he continued.

He went on to criticize Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), a leading Democratic presidential candidate, by saying “you're not going to vote for Pocahontas” and criticizing her proposed wealth tax."

A man who has no respect for rules at all.

BREAKING UPDATE: Findings in the Upcoming IG Report Are Said to be Devastating Obama Interfered

in Election More Than Vlad Putin!

DiGenova told the panel the Inspector General report and a solo report on James Comey are coming out in about two weeks. DiGenova says the report will contain criminal referrals.

Note date - 4/25/19.

When are you guys going to stop believing this trash?

Lt. Col. Vindman bashed John Solomon in testimony

‘But you know, his grammar might have been right’

"In his deposition last month on Capitol Hill, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman characterized as “false” the work of John Solomon, the former executive vice president for digital video at The Hill, according to a transcript released Friday. Vindman just might know: He has served as the top Ukraine hand at the National Security Council and watched as Solomon’s reports on the country in The Hill surfaced earlier this year. He gave his deposition as part of the House impeachment inquiry."

"To check on Solomon’s reporting, Vindman had quizzed his “interagency colleagues” at the State Department and the intelligence community. He asked for “background” and wanted to know if there was “anything substantive in this area.”

"Apparently there was not. Lack of substance notwithstanding, Yovanovitch was recalled early from her ambassadorial post in May over the allegations promoted by Solomon, Rudolph W. Giuliani, et al. U.S. diplomat George Kent, in his own deposition, said of Solomon’s early Ukraine reporting: “If not entirely made up in full cloth, it was primarily non-truths and non sequiturs.”

"Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) decided to press Vindman on his conclusion that Solomon was pushing bogus reporting.

Zeldin: Did your sources, though, say that everything was false or just parts of it were false?
Vindman: I think all the key elements were false.
Zeldin: Just so I understand what you mean when you say key elements. Are you referring to everything John Solomon stated or just some of it?
Vindman: All the elements that I just laid out for you. The criticisms of corruption were false.
Zeldin: You mentioned —
Vindman: Were there more items in there, frankly, congressman? I don’t recall. I haven’t looked at the article in quite some time, but you know, his grammar might have been right."

Schiff should approve zero GOP witnesses.

The GOP witness list is out and they are not dealing with the matter at hand at all. They want Schiff as a witness so they can go after him. They want Hunter Biden so they can go after him. They are trying to throw mud in lots of directions because they can't refute the actual charges. Oh! And they want to get revenge on the whistle blower too
Screw them!

Republicans want Hunter Biden, Ukraine whistleblower as impeachment inquiry witnesses

Which law was broken?

"(f) Prohibition on covert actions intended to influence United States political processes, etc.
No covert action may be conducted which is intended to influence United States political processes, public opinion, policies, or media."
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